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Vicky
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29 Nov 2009 16:03 |
Hi everyone, I'm trying to find a Ethel Emma Sumner, born in 1904 Hayes on the 1911 census but can not seem to find it anywhere.
I know that she married a Frederick Barty (1897-1979) and had a number of children including Hazel Barty (1927-1984)who married a Reginald Gizzi. Hazel Barty is my aunt's mother.
Any help would be really fantastic.
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WayneTracey
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29 Nov 2009 16:04 |
Before i go looking
Can i just say what an amazing array of names!!
Tracey x
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WayneTracey
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29 Nov 2009 16:06 |
Do you have the marriage cert and therefore know the name of her father?
SUMNER, Ethel Daughter F 7 1904 Westhoughton Lancs
on the 1911 father Daniel mother Emily.
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The other 1911 census of the granchild is probably the right one and not the one i have posted.
Tracey x
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Vicky
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29 Nov 2009 16:08 |
Yeah I know, I could not believe it when my uncle asked whether i could search his wife side of the family,
By the way, there might not be much about the Gizzi as they came from Italy.
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WayneTracey
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29 Nov 2009 16:11 |
More Gizzi's than you think....
Household GIZZI, Alfred 1910 1 M Mutford Suffolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Andrea 1855 56 M Cheltenham Gloucestershire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Angelena 1886 25 F Mutford Suffolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Angelo 1875 36 M Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Angelo 1903 8 M Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Annie 1876 35 F Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Annie 1907 4 F Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Anselms 1899 12 M Plymouth Devonshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Antonio 1873 38 M Newport Monmouthshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Augusta 1852 59 F Cheltenham Gloucestershire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Carolina 1826 85 F Cheltenham Gloucestershire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Caterina 1874 37 F Newport Monmouthshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Cathleen 1908 3 F Swansea Glamorganshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Daniel 1844 67 M Holborn London VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Daniel 1909 2 M Holborn London VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Edith 1901 10 F Plymouth Devonshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Edith 1890 21 F St Asaph Denbighshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Frederick 1910 1 M Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, John 1885 26 M Swansea Glamorganshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, John 1909 2 M St Asaph Denbighshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Joseph 1907 4 M Mutford Suffolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Katherine 1878 33 F Holborn London VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Lewis 1889 22 M St Asaph Denbighshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Lucy Annie Bertha 1880 31 F Cheltenham Gloucestershire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Madeline 1905 6 F Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Maltilda F Plymouth Devonshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Maria Lillian 1908 3 F Holborn London VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Marles 1892 19 M Cheltenham Gloucestershire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Mary 1884 27 F Holborn London VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Mary B 1888 23 F Swansea Glamorganshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Matalena 1867 44 F Newport Monmouthshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, May 1905 6 F Mutford Suffolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Mike 1878 33 M Mutford Suffolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Miklia 1903 8 M Mutford Suffolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Nicholas 1880 31 M Holborn London VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Rose 1911 0 F Swansea Glamorganshire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Thomas Dominick 1878 33 M Cheltenham Gloucestershire VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Violet 1908 3 F Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, William John 1911 0 M Holborn London VIEW VIEW Household GIZZI, Winifred Florence 1907 4 F Holborn London
The 1911 lol
Tracey x
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K
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29 Nov 2009 16:15 |
Sorry - I deleted this - was Hayes in Staffordshire?
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Person: SUMMER, Ethel Address: 7 Moorland View Fegg Hayes Stoke on Trent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BACE, Richard Head Married M 58 1853 Miner Coal Hewer Staffordshire Mow Cop VIEW BACE, Elizabeth Wife Married 40 years F 59 1852 Cheshire Congleton VIEW BACE, Ethel Daughter Single F 20 1891 Potters Gilder Cheshire Congleton VIEW SUMMER, Ethel Granddaughter F 5 1906 Staffordshire Fegg Hayes VIEW SUMMER, Elizabeth Granddaughter F 10 1901 School Staffordshire Fegg Hayes VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 16465 Reference: RG14PN16465 RG78PN1020 RD360 SD2 ED9 SN51 Registration District: Wolstanton Sub District: Tunstall EnumerationDistrict: 9 Parish: Chell Address: 7 Moorland View Fegg Hayes Stoke on Trent County: Staffordshire
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Vicky
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29 Nov 2009 16:16 |
I have found a reginald g gizzi 1920-1994 with mother's maiden name as Ransom according to the freebmd site. I cant find marriage for a gizzi-ransom.
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Vicky
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29 Nov 2009 16:23 |
Hayes in the middlesex area.
I have sent an email to my uncle to see what more info there are.
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K
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29 Nov 2009 16:31 |
Possible?
Name: Ethel Emma Summer Record Type: Baptism Date: 15 Jan 1905 Father's Name: James Summer Mother's Name: Patience Summer Parish: Saint Mary, Hayes Borough: Hillingdon County: Middlesex
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Vicky
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29 Nov 2009 16:35 |
that could be the one i'm looking for but will have to check with my uncle when he reply to my email.
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WayneTracey
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29 Nov 2009 16:47 |
I have alot of doubt over the surname BACE....
Can find nothing on them, K what does the actual image say?
Tracey x
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WayneTracey
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29 Nov 2009 16:51 |
The image of the childrens surnames looks like Sumner... and Richard's looks like Bale...?
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K
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29 Nov 2009 16:52 |
Sorry - the actual image on the baptism could well be Sumner - James is described as a labourer
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WayneTracey
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29 Nov 2009 16:54 |
BINGO!!
BALL...his name is Ball.!!!
1901 BALL, Richard Head Married M 49 1852 Coal Hewer Below Ground Mow Cop Staffordshire BALL, Elizabeth Wife Married F 49 1852 Congleton Cheshire BALL, Ethel Daughter Single F 10 1891 Congleton Cheshire HEWITT, Hannah Daughter Married F 20 1881 Congleton Cheshire HEWITT, James Son-In-Law Married M 20 1881 Coal Hewer Below Ground Cuddington Green Cheshire >>>SUMNER, Nellie Grand Daughter F 6 1895 Congleton Cheshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number:RG13 Piece:2590 Folio:91 Page:10 Civil Parish:Tunstall Municipal Borough:Address:13, Biddulph Road, Tunstall County:Staffordshire
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29 Nov 2009 16:59 |
1891, one othese girls is the parent of the Sumner children?
BALL, Richard Head Of Family Married M 39 1852 Coal Miner Mowcop Staffordshire BALL, Elizabeth Wife Married F 39 1852 Congleton Cheshire BALL, Levinia Daughter Single F 19 1872 Dressmaker Congleton Cheshire BALL, Ellen Daughter Single F 17 1874 Silk Winder Congleton Cheshire BALL, Hannah Elizabeth Daughter Single F 10 1881 Congleton Cheshire BALL, Frank Son M 5 1886 Congleton Cheshire BALL, Ethel Daughter F 0 (6M) 1891 Congleton Cheshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number:RG12 Piece:2844 Folio:47 Page:16
Civil Parish:Congleton Municipal Borough:Congleton Address:Boundary Road, Congleton, Buglawton County:Cheshire Tracey x
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WayneTracey
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29 Nov 2009 17:03 |
Lavinia....!!
Marriages Sep 1894 Ball Lavinia Congleton 8a 463 Sumner Joseph Congleton 8a 463
I think thats a complete circle there?
Edit:
I have contacted FMP with a transcription error report for both surnames.
Tracey x
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K
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29 Nov 2009 17:18 |
Colin
I like the idea of the birth you found and found other possible siblings
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1902 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May Winifred Sumner Uxbridge 3a 49
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1903 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May James Henry S Uxbridge 3a 62
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1908 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May Vera Sumner Uxbridge 3a 63
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1910 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAY Welcome James S Uxbridge 3a 56
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WayneTracey
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29 Nov 2009 17:25 |
The marriage to go ith the births?
Marriages Jun 1896 >>>May Alice Amy Uxbridge 3a 55 Stone George Uxbridge 3a 55 >>>Sumner Alfred Langley Uxbridge 3a 55 Webb Emily Uxbridge 3a 55
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Vicky
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29 Nov 2009 17:27 |
wow, alot of info there, great work but will double check with my uncle. I'll be going off-line soon and wont be back on this tread til sometime in the week but hopefully by then I will of heard back from my uncle.
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29 Nov 2009 17:28 |
If the 1905 christening I found is correct the parents christian names where James and Patience - Thiis could be Patience's death
Deaths Mar 1923 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMNER Patience 46 Uxbridge 3a 49
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