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Hi Marion,

Found this just to confuse!!


Elizabeth Ann Ackley
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 3 Nov 1816
Father's Name: Thomas Ackley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Ann Ackley
Parish: St Giles Cripplegate
Borough: City of London
County: London

Seeing if I can find anymore.

Regards Vera

OZ Bird, Never seen this one before for the Asylum..I wonder if Charlotte Broughton was infact Charlotte Boughton? The Boughtons were the ones Harriett was staying with in 1841..And Mary Ann in 1851. Oz Bird I dont know where Harriett was in 1851.. You can see why I put this one in the too hard basket.. I want to know more about this baby and the trial...

Still unable to access Ancestry..Just my luck.

Marion

Vera, thanks for your help.. I posted this one when I first opened this thread..Fathers profession on the Baptism for Elizabeth Ann Ware House Man...

Bless You for helping.. I sure do need it.

Marion

Hi Marion, Just a thought the local paper of the time might have reported the trial.
The trial was held at the Central Criminal Court in the County of Surrey........

Regards Vera

Marion,
Found Harriet on this site....but doesn't give any more details.....but interesting...

www.oldbaileyonline.org

So it looks like she was in the Old Bailey for her trial


Regards Vera

Another site the National Archives

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=172&j=1


Regards Vera

As there is so little recorded it looks like it was an open & shut case. There are several possibilities.

1. She never had a child in the first place - unlikely
2. Her child was stillborn or died shortly after birth - possibly
3. Her child was brought up by other people - probably

If the child had died one would assume a more serious charge would have been laid against her though not necessarily if it was obvious it died of natural causes.

From the National Archives website:
"Registration began in England and Wales from 1837 but >>>the onus to register births was on the district registrar not the parents.<<< Some births were not registered at all in this period and you will need to look for baptismal records instead. "

So, if the registrar was not aware of the birth the baby wouldn't have been registered.

Update:
I have been pondering about this and think it less likely the child did survive. Obviously something untoward happened. Here's a similar case at a similar time but with a different ending.

"The Times Thursday March 23rd. 1848 page 7 Issue 19818

Crown Court.-(Before Lord Chief Justice Wilde.)
Ann Holmes, 23, was charged with the murder of her child, at Bottesford, on 27th of January last.
The evidence in this case was not clear as to the charge of murder, but the concealment of the birth was fully proved against the prisoner. After the evidence of the former mistress of the prisoner, her fellow-servant, and the surgeon had been taken,
Mr. Hayes (counsel for the prosecution) withdrew the charge of murder against the prisoner, and
The jury, by the direction of the Judge, found her Guilty of concealing the birth of her child.
The Judge then sentenced her to twelve months’ hard labour.
The details of the case were unfit for publication."

Concealment of Birth
In 1803 the law on infanticide was revised, and proof of murder became a requirement for a conviction. Where a murder charge was likely to be impossible to prove, the accused could be charged with "concealment of birth" instead, which was punishable by a maximum of two years' imprisonment. In addition, in cases where the defendant was charged with infanticide the jury were empowered to return "concealment of birth" as a lesser verdict.


Regards Vera

So it's a pretty sure bet that the baby died.

Ozi

All very sad.......probably died of natural causes and that is why Harriett was aquitted.

I wonder where she is on the 1851 census....she must have changed her name....


Regards Vera