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Charles and his Father could have lost touch after he started working and came of age.Also second wife involved.

Hi Mary.

Should be the case, Francis should be on the 1891 census. I have looked, without digging, if you know what I mean.

Iam looking into the Hildreth line for my aunts. My gran married John, after having my mum, but my aunts are still my aunts! Seems their dad didn't say too much about his family.

Seems now that I have a good deal of info to pass on.

Gail

1881 frank(Francis ) and ellen District 2 view 25 ward 3 98,Church St Battersea.

1891 ellen hildreth widow 39,Francis st Batersea district 2 view 38 view 28 is 98,Church st.Also ward 3.

So it really looks like both these ellen's are Ellen nee Green.

Maryb

But if Francis was still alive July 1891 then he would be on 1891 census!!!!!!!!

A quick recap, so as to avoid muliple look ups. Thanks to everyone for their help, and suggestions. I'll start from 1891, and work back.


Jul 10 1891- Marriage of Charles Hildreth ,33,
to Elizabeth Langford, 30, in Dalziel Parish, Motherwell, Scotland.

At time of marriage, Charles is recorded as a puddler.
His father, Francis, is living, and a general labourer.
His mother, Elizabeth Oxley, is deceased.


Hope that this helps.

Gail

I think Ellen and Frank 1881 are the same as that Ellen was also born 1850 ish in farnham Serrey,maybe they just lived tohether before they married.

Maryb

There's a Charles Hildreth in 1901 census b abt 1867 in Darlington, parents Thomas and Elizabeth. Darlington adjoins Stockton boundary and both were in County Durham at that time so wonder if that might be him?

Hi Mary .I have a Frank and Ellen in the 1881 census ,so can't be the 1884 marriage to Ellen Green,or was he married trice? Ellen Hildreth neeGreen is a widow in 1891 Census .

1861
Sarah Iveson
[Sarah Barlow]
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Mother's Name: Ann Barlow c1795 Haughton-le-Skerne,Durham
Gender: Female
Where born: Heighington, Durham, England

Civil parish: Darlington St Cuthberts
Town: Darlington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Darlington
Sub-registration district: Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 9d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Iveson 35
Charles Iveson 9
Robt Iveson 7
Ann Barlow 66
Christr Barnaby 28
Peter MacKay 25
John Smith 25
John Steward 45


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tree on Ancestry says Francis 1833 marriedsecond time to Elizabeth Daley born Sedgsfield Durham she died London 1891.
Don't know if Daley was her married or maiden name.

Maryb

A Francis married Ellen green in 1884 Chelsea london,she was born Farnham/Wrecklesham Surrey on 1891 census Ellen a widow wtih sister and brother Sarah matilda green 1870 and Frank A Green 1868 born Wrecklesham Surrey

Francis Hildreth
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 60
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 440 (click to see others on page)

IF CHARLES IS A BOARDER IN 1891 CENSUS HE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED

1881
Frank Hildreth
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1833 GENERAL LABOURER
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen C1849 FARNHAM,SURREY
Gender: Male
Where born: Darlington, Durham, England

Civil parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 98 Church Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: General Labor

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Hildreth 48
Ellen Hildreth 32
C. H. Tinden 24
Edward Cudon 42


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COULD THIS BE FRANCIS AND ELEANOR

Eleanor Groves 1870 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
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Mary Hammond 1870 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
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Francis Hildreth 1870 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
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Thomas Taylor 1870 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding

Francis Hildreth
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Darlington
County: Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
Volume: 10a
Page: 10 (click to see others on page)

COULD BE A SECOND MARRIAGE FOR FRANCIS HILDRETH

Ellen Brotherton 1855 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
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Francis Hildreth 1855 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
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Elizabeth Oxley 1855 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
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William Peverley 1855 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding

Francis Hildreth
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Darlington
County: Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
Volume: 10a
Page: 19 (click to see others on page)

Elizabeth Hildreth
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 42
District: Darlington
County: Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
Volume: 10a
Page: 6 (click to see others on page)
COULD BE WHY WE CAN'T FIND THEM IN A LATER CENSUS THAN 1861
DATE C1825 IS SAME AS STATED IN 1861 CENSUS

1871
Sarah Iveson
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Darlington, Durham, England
Civil parish: Darlington
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Darlington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Darlington
Sub-registration district: Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Iveson 40
Robert Iveson 16
Margaret J Iveson 8
Christopher Parnel 40
John Connor 28
James Denton 29
Charles Hildreth 15 c1856 Stockton,Durham,NEPHEW

I would just like to add more to my post.

I have looked at different options on ancestry to find either Charles, or his father Francis on 1891 census, anywhere in England, but paying most attention to the Durham area. No joy.

I have also looked for Charles in Scotland, on the 1891 census, and have drawn another blank.

I feel that I am going round in circles, and this really has got me stumped!

Can anyone offer any other ideas?

I should add a big thanks to ellieathome, for all of her help.

Gailx

1861
Charles Hildreth
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Francis
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Stockton, Durham, England

Civil parish: Stockton On Tees
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Stockton
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Stockton
Sub-registration district: Stockton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Hildreth 28
Elizabeth Hildreth 36
Charles Hildreth 4
Thomas Hildreth 2
Joseph Hildreth 6 Mo


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was he 33 in marriage details according to a tree in Ancestry
Birth
1858 in Stockton, Durham, England Death
1927 in Lanarkshire, Scotland

Hi Ellie.

Looks like Charles mother Elizabeth's maiden name was Oxley.


Gail