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Could someone else look at Military recods on Ancestry for john Willis Thacker born 1896,just to confirm to Paul it says in 1916 when he enlisted he was unmarried.

I have found Thomas Thacker born Brownhill Staffs with Sarah Matilda nee Chapman born Pontsbury Staffs 1873 and all the brothers of John that you stated.They were born Wimblebury Staffs.

Also is it definate that it is John Willis Thacker or just John Thacker.

Maryb

My two postings( which I have corrected and apologise for the confusion) for 1901 for Alice Turner were just "possibles" but as I said I think the daughter of Edwin and Emma is more likely since John and Alice named one of their sons Edwin.
To be sure , Paul you need to get the marriage cert for John and Alice (details of which have been posted) You can do this on line at the GRO but be sure to tick the box that asks if you have the ref no and quote it) It costs £7 The cert will then show her fathers name and occupation to help pinpoint her in 1901

Mary, I have looked at the WW! Service Record for John Willis Thacker (coal Miner) who enlisted in the 5th Batt South Staffs regiment 21/2/1916 aged 20..His address is given as 87 New ? Rawnsley Hednesford and next of kin is his father JWT senior
He definitely says NO to the question "Are you married?" although when his pension (originally 16/6d a week) was increased to 20/6d for 13 weeks it was to include child allowance from 1/10/1918
Regimental no was 49144 Private and under "Disability" it simply says VPH which could mean Very Poor Health
I cant actually see that he ever left this country

It looks as if Alice was alive and well up to 1970
Alice Thacker born 10/10/1893 died 1970 Mar Q Bucklow 10 a 550

Maryb and Gillian,
On his pension records-right at the bottom of the second or third page-doesn't that say wife-Mrs A Thacker-21 Old Buildings,etc?

Paul-the 1911 census details are from FMP.

Maureen

1911 census with JWT father 1866 and JWT 1896 there is Doris Louisa daughter married to John Blakemore born 1882 Walsall Wood Staffs

John W Thacker marries in 1916 to Ann/Annie Blakemore born 1883 to Simeon Blakemore born 1858 Bilston Staffs ans Selina Thacker 1858.

Paul has this Selina Thacker and Simeon Blakemore in his tree.

So is this the JWT with wife Ann on military records,in which case he wouldn't have been married on records as he married 1916.

Maryb

It seems as though the JWT marrying Alice Turner are the wrong ones and Paul should send for marriage certificates.

Edit
Selina 1858 had brother Thomas Charles Willam thacker 184 he married Hannah holt and had Thomas Charles william Thacker 1870 who married Sarah Matilda Chapman and had John 1896.

So all the families are related its just a matter of finding the correct person John Thacker 1896 married.

Oh heck. Are we looking at the wrong fellow???
1911 census transcription details for: Rawnsley New Buildings

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN16957 RG78PN1047 RD368 SD2 ED24 SN96


Reg. District: Cannock Sub District: Cannock
Parish: Cannock Enum. District: 24
Address: Rawnsley New Buildings
County: Staffordshire

THACKER, John Willis Husband Married M 45 1866 Miner Underground Coal Staff Gentleshaw
THACKER, Martha Wife Married
21 years F 48 1863 Warickshire Fazeley
THACKER, Henry Theodoer Son Single M 18 1893 Miner Under Ground Staff Littleworth
THACKER, David Joseph Son Single M 16 1895 Engine Driver Under Staff Littleworth
THACKER, John Willis Son Single M 15 1896 Miner Under Ground Staff Littleworth
THACKER, Percy Edwin Son M 13 1898 Miner On Bank Staff Littleworth
THACKER, Charley Fred Son M 9 1902 Staff Rawnsley
THACKER, Walter Horace Son M 8 1903 Staff Rawnsley
BLAKEMORE, Doris Louisa Daughter Married F 20 1891 Staff Gentleshaw
BLAKEMORE, John Son In Law Married M 29 1882 Miner Under Ground Staff Wallsall Wood


1911 census transcription details for: Piggott St Wimblebury

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN16947 RG78PN1047 RD368 SD2 ED14 SN167


Reg. District: Cannock Sub District: Cannock
Parish: Cannock Enum. District: 14
Address: Piggott St Wimblebury
County: Staffordshire
THACKER, Thomas Head Married M 41 1870 Coal Miner Hewer Hednesford Staffs
THACKER, Sarah Wife Married
20 years F 38 1873 Hednesford Staffs
THACKER, Thomas Son Single M 20 1891 Coal Miner Driver Hednesford Staffs
THACKER, Wilfred Son Single M 19 1892 Coal Miner Driver Hednesford Staffs
THACKER, George Son Single M 17 1894 Coal Miner Driver Hednesford Staffs
THACKER, John Son Single M 15 1896 Coal Miner Griper Hednesford Staffs
THACKER, Edward Son M 13 1898 Coal Miner Niper Hednesford Staffs
THACKER, Percy Son M 12 1899 Hednesford Staffs
THACKER, Walter Son M 9 1902 Hednesford Staffs
THACKER, Lizzie Daughter F 7 1904 Hednesford Staffs
THACKER, Minnie Daughter F 5 1906 Hednesford Staffs
THACKER, Lily Daughter F 3 1908 Hednesford Staffs
THACKER, Isiah Son M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Hednesford Staffs


Maureen

Maureen -I have beeen through the whole 13 pages again (twice!) and cant see the ref to wife but the images are all a bit blurred and indistinct -I viewed them on Ancestry -maybe you have a clearer view where you saw them
Dont think it matters much in terms of facts whether he lied on one sheet and told the truth on another

Maureen see my edited last message about Selina.

Oh, Maureen you are absolutely right ! Well done ! and what a waste of time and energy on the wrong man

Thacker /Blakemore births.

J/F/M 1917 male thacker.
J/F.M 1918 Percy E
J/F/M 1920 Doris L
J/F/M 1922 Muriel B
J/A/S 1924 Ivy J
O/N/D 1926 Joyce m
All registered in Cannock

These all tie in with JWT 1896 marrying in 1916 and being the one in the army with dad being JWT 1866

Maryb

OK- John Henry Thacker's service records list him as single.
Name: John Henry Thacker
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Age at Enlistment: 19
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 17699
Regiment Name: Oxford & Bucks LI
Number of Images: 17

Gives next of kin as Thomas Charles and Sarah Matilda Thacker.

Maureen

Edit: P.S. Gillian-were you looking at the pension records. I swear it's there. Not that it matters anymore!!!

And the address is 39 Piggott St which matches OK with the 1911.
Oh dear-dementia praecox??

Maureen

So he is John Henry Thacker then.Parents thomas and sarah.

John Willis Thacker number is 49144 year 1916 parents John Willis and Martha nee Frogatt

Maryb

Looks right to me,Maryb. That poor fellow seemed to have come out of the war a bit shaken up. I have my doubts if he married.

Maureen

Conclusion is Paul is looking for John Henry and not John willis.
Oh well past a bit of time on.


Take care Maryb

MaureeninNY

Sorry to appear thick but you answered that the 1911 census details were from FMP. What does FMP stand for as when I just enter FMP nothing comes up that makes sense

Thanks

Sorry,Paul-Findmypast.
Maureen

MaureeninNY

Sorry Maureen, a case of 'a senior moment', after a while we realised it stood for Find My Past but by the time I was getting back to you, you had beat me to it. Many thanks anyway.
Paul and Ann

All who responded to my subject "tracing a great uncle" were very helpful in their suggestions and information provided. The birth certificate was sent for and this confirmed that it was John Henry Thacker NOT John Willis who was in our tree. We believe he married in 1921 (Jan/Mch quarter 6b 1134) a lady with surname (maiden) Bate. Whilst we wait for marriage certificate to confirm, can anyone suggest if there is a best way to find any children. Bruce has suggested that we go through Rootsweb.