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Sorry Sharon that is the one i found...I'll post now.

Looks like Lizzie was working as a domestic and Thomas went home...

T x

EDIT:

1911 RG14PN6926 RG78PN343B RD128 SD4 ED59 SN48
Address: 156 High St New Brentford County: Middlesex
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JOHNSON, Samuel Head Married M 51 1860 Horse Dealer Middx Brentford
JOHNSON, Kate Wife Married 33 years F 50 1861 London Stepney
JOHNSON, Samuel Son Single M 32 1879 Carman Brentford
***JOHNSON, Thomas Son Married M 27 1884 Carman Brentford ***
JOHNSON, George Son Single M 23 1888 Assistant Dealer Brentford
JOHNSON, Matilda Daughter Single F 19 1892
JOHNSON, Kate Daughter Single F 16 1895
JOHNSON, Mary Daughter F 12 1899
JOHNSON, Charles M 10 1901

If he was a Carman, then 1911 that Tracy found is looking good!

Hi Sharon
I would like to ask again the question that Wayne/tracey asked which was how do you know that you have the right cert. I noticed that your mother in law was born in the same district of Brighton in 1938 as the Thomas Bertram Kershaw born in 1910. That seems a coincidence. -JLe

Thomas father on birth certificate shows him a a general carman, his parents are Samuel Johnson - 1862, Brentford, Middlesex & mother Catherine (Kate) Donovan - 1861 - Shadwell, London

Snap!

Yes, Tracy I've just seen that.

I'm also beginning to think that the children may just have been adopted, but I'm not sure how to find adoptions!

Possible 1911 but wrong middles name:-
HOUSEHOLD JHONSON THOMAS SAMUEL M 1910 10 MONTHS Brentford Middlesex

I have foudn this one.

JHONSON, Thomas Samuel Nurse Child M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Brentford Middx

Living with the Lovegrove family.


Tracey x

Catherine i had already edited my post, she declared 3 years married and 2 live births.

With her being a domestic in another household, i do wonder if the children were given up as they couldn't cope?

I'm still trying to find Thomas with the 2 children, i may find him with his family...

Sharon what is Thomas occupation on the birth cert?

I have found a Thomas Johnson married living with parents....He's a Carman born brentford. Sadly he's not required to fill in the marriage section.


Tracey x

Could mean that they were separated though?
The original should show if she had any children, living or dead.

Hmmm found this...

Warkworth House was the Brentford Poor Law Union Workhouse. On the same site was an additional building which was used as the Brentford Poor Law Union Workhouse Infirmary. The infirmary eventually did become the West Middlesex University Hospital which also later absorbed the workhouse buildings. However, up until 1932 the majority of births did not occur within the infirmary building but within the maternity ward of the workhouse. Sadly there are no surviving records from the maternity ward (or any part of the workhouse) for the period when your grandmother was born.

This was written in response to someone else's request for info on Warkworth House, on another Genealogy site.


Tracey x

I have his birth certficate Born Seventh June 1910, Warkworth House, Twickenham Road, Isleworth U.D. (Reg District Brentford) birth registered Twenty Second June 1910

The Bertram middle name could have been omitted off the BMD list.

Births Jun 1910 JOHNSON Thomas Brentford 3a 95

Tracey x

EDIT: the 1911 states 3 years married and 2 live children born and 2 still alive.

T x

Sharon

What was the address of his birth?


Tracey x

Grrr this doesn't help one bit!!!!

1911 RG14PN6916 RG78PN343B RD128 SD4 ED49 SN95
Address: 121 Windmill Road Brentford County: Middlesex

CHARLTON, Harry Colvile Head Married M 44 1867 Railway Official Watlington Oxon
CHARLTON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 53 1858 Ashley Near Acton
JOHNSON, Lizzie Ann Maria Servant Married F 22 1889 General Servant Domestic By End Ashford Middx Hants

I've been looking at the 1911 but can't find him yet.

The nearest remarriage I could find was this one, but wrong district:-
Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
Johnson Annie M Kershaw Manchester 8d 456
Kershaw Joseph T Johnson Manchester 8d 456

possibly Annie Maria?

Sharon

I am searching the 1911 now, and cannot see anything immediately..

I'm struggling to find Thomas and Lizzie Johnson at the min

Tracey x

Yes it could be a possibility that his mother remarried and that he could have been adopted. Are you able to check the 1911 census for me to see if he is on it.

Ok the parents marriage...??

Marriages Jun 1908
>>JAMES Lizzie Annie M Brentford 3a 320
>>JOHNSON Thomas Brentford 3a 320
Webb George William Brentford 3a 320
Youe Lily Matilda Brentford 3a 320

Tracey x

Ok i know this may seem like a silly question....

How do you know you have the right cert?

We cannot find a birth for a Thomas Bertram Johnson 1910 at all on the BMD, and you know him as a Kershaw?

I know we are looking for the answer to the question as to how he got to Kershaw from Johnson, but how can you be sure you have his cert?


Tracey x

Could it be that his mother remarried and he was adopted by his new father?