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My pleasure. Good luck!

Aveyronnaise, you seem to have done as much as you can for me, thanks very much for all your help.

Just read your last reply - well, I would be inclined to take those brothers' names as pretty hefty evidence!! Will check out the 1861 for Tixover Grange though. Back soon!

EDIT Nope, am not seeing her there either. Sorry.

As I see it, in order to progress accurately you have no option but to go ahead and order the marriage certificate for Samuel and Sarah. I would be interested to know whether her status is "widowed"! It's the only solution I can think of. On the 1911 census people's FULL names were supposed to be filled in and she has only put "Sarah" not "Sarah Elizabeth".

Aveyronnaise, I have just read your message and the E comes from my grandmother's birth certificate. It states mother Sarah Elizabeth formerly Staples. Another interesting point is my grandmother has two brothers. The eldest is Alfred SLATER and the other is Richard FRANCIS.

Aveyronnaise, I have just had another thought. Could you check out the 1861 census for Tixover Grange in Rutland to see if Sarah is there being a servant please.

So there she is just Sarah Staples, not E? Just remind me, where did the E come from? Was that only from the 1851 census?

Aveyronnaise, The marriage for Samuel and Sarah in 1869 has Samuel listed as DAWS not Dams. I have informed free bmd but they have not altered it.

So I take it you don't have the marriage cert for Samuel and Sarah? That's the safest way to solve the mystery.

EDIT - Just remembered where I saw that marriage - it was on LDS and guess what? It's another submitted record. Do you have the BMD reference for it? All I'm getting for Samuel Dams around that time is Oct-Dec 1870 to either Isabella Roberts or Elizabeth Oldham.

OK, so what I am thinking is this - when Samuel and Sarah married, was she a widow? Perhaps she had been married to the brother (was he Joseph), which is why you can't find a birth for her. Give me 5 again ...

EDIT Forget that. Joseph is alive and kicking in 1901.

I can't find the blooming marriage now!

Aveyronnaise, thanks for that info, I did not know they were living at Tixover Grange, obviously in service.

A propos of nothing, have you got this record from the 1911?

Person: DAMS, Samuel
Address: Tixover Grange Stamford
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DAMS, Samuel Head Married M 66 1845 Working Roadman Harringworth Northants VIEW
DAMS, Sarah Wife Married
41 years F 69 1842 Liddington Rutland VIEW
WYLES, Dorothy Grandchild F 4 1907 Wetherby York VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
19428 Reference:
RG14PN19428 RD411 SD1 ED16 SN34

Registration District:
Stamford Sub District:
Stamford EnumerationDistrict:
16 Parish:
Tixover

Address:
Tixover Grange Stamford County:
Lincolnshire

If nothing else, it confirms you have the right year of marriage for them!!

Darn! I came across their marriage earlier and discounted it ... give me 5 minutes and I'll bring it back up.

The definite evidence for Sarah's age is :-

1901 census
Samuel Dams
56 Northants Haringworth Rutland Tixover Cowman Domestic
Sarah Dams
59 Rutland Liddington Rutland Tixover
She married Samuel Dams in 1869 and they are my grandmother's parents.
The only entry that I can find to cover Sarah Elizabeth is a Female Slater in Sep Qtr 1841 Uppingham.

Are you definite that she is Sarah ELIZABETH Staples? And if so, how? Have you traced her back from yourself (and therefore know of a marriage)? I agree that the 1851 census appears to call her Sarah E but the only BMD match I am getting for 1840+or-2 for Rutland is Sarah ANN.

Looks to me as if there's no option but to order a birth certificate!!

Just a note to be careful about the info about the Staples family on LDS - all the entries I have seen have been SUBMITTED not EXTRACTED and therefore need to be treated with caution!

Sarah Elizabeth Staples is shown as being the daughter of Slater Staples and Elizabeth Brown (census returns state him to be unmarried and also state Sarah E to be the daughter of Francis and Mary); she is shown as marrying in Wing, Rutland in 1870 and having been born in about 1842 in Liddington. But there is also a birth for Sarah Elizabeth Staples in Wing in 1849.

EDIT!! Just saw your last posting - so we are both thinking the same way and can probably discount everything from LDS in this case.

Aveyronnaise. I have just read your message after posting mine. Would appreciate any help.

Aveyronnaise. Yes it is odd. IGI record is a mystery with no proof. Sarah Elizabeth Staples is the ancestor I am trying to match up but is her father Francis or Slater Staples. Can you possibly find her in the 1861 census for me. I think her birth is listed in free bmd as female in 1841.

Can't find Sarah Staples in 1861 either (on Ancestry). Could she have married - and (just a thought) is there any chance that Anne Phillips could be a grandchild rather than just a visitor? Sorry I haven't got time to carry on searching now but will come back to this later and see if I can find anything.

Chris