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1871 England Census
about Jane Berry
Name: Jane Berry
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Medisted, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Clapham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 180
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Berry 36
Jane Berry 36


Sister of Ann Parsons nee Oliver

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Sarah Jane Parsons
Name: Sarah Jane Parsons
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 11 Apr 1869
Father's Name: John Parsons PLATE LAYER
Mother's Name: Ann Parsons
Parish: Saint James Norlands, Kensington
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
County: Middlesex

Reg March 69 Kensington



1871 England Census
about Sarah Parsons
Name: Sarah Parsons
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Household schedule number: 198
Household Members: Name Age
John Parsons 34 Cholsey, Berkshire
Ann Parsons 38 Matstead, Hampshire
Rosa Parsons 4 London, Middlesex
Sarah Parsons 2


1881 England Census
about John Parsons
Name: John Parsons
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Chorsley, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: No 44 Wye Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Platelayers Labourer

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 19b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Parsons 46
Ann Parsons 49 Alton, Hampshire
Rosa Parsons 14
Sarah J. Parsons 12
William J. Parsons 6


LYN>>>>>>>>>>> I May delete this, but I just need to check it out first.


Dee x


Not a great helP!!!!
1861 England Census
about Ann Oliver
Name: Ann Oliver
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Alton, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 228
Household Members: Name Age
John Simpson 67
Ann Simpson 51
Ann Oliver 28
Elizabeth Booth 40

Sister for Ann Olivers marriage, Witnesses Ann Oliver & John Parsons and the same address as Ann's marriage Salisbury Street;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Jane Oliver
Name: Jane Oliver
Spouse Name: Henry Berry
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 May 1864
Parish: Christ Church, Saint Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Charles Oliver
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Berry

Choccy, here's that marriage;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Parsons Occupation Plate Layer
Name: John Parsons
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Spouse Name: Ann Oliver
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Sep 1866
Parish: Christ Church, Saint Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: James Parsons
Spouse Father Name: Charles Oliver

Witnesses; Elizabeth Crozier??? J Martin??
Dee x

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Josiah Lane
Name: Josiah Lane
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 21 Dec 1834
Father's Name: Charles Lane >>> Occupation Carter
Mother's Name: Sarah Lane
Parish: Saint Mary, Bryanston Square
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

Born 20th Nov 1834. Address; 13 Moor Street



Just for ref.


Dee x

could Ann have married -


Marriages Sep 1866 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dillon James Marylebone 1a 980
HAYES Catherine Marylebone 1a 980
***********OLIVER Ann Marylebone 1a 980
***********PARSONS John Marylebone 1a 980


(found James and Catherine Dillon together on census)

Dea...... he just seems to have disappeared!!!

I can't see any signs of Ann Oliver around the area. Think I need a break.


Dee xx

Could this be him??

Name: Josiah LANE
Date of departure: 5 January 1912
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Brisbane, Australia
Passenger destination: Brisbane, Australia

Date of Birth: 1889 (calculated from age)
Age: 23
Marital status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Carpenter
Passenger recorded on: Page 6 of 10



The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Alice LANE
George LANE
Henry LANE
Henry LANE
Isabel LANE
Lillian LANE
Ralph LANE


Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
OSWESTRY GRANGE
114066
C S Crichton
Queensland Line
Brisbane, Australia
9363
4730
353


Dea x

Is this why Ann Oliver couldn't marry Josiah Lane;

Name: Josiah Charles Lane
Birth: Abt 1836 - Marylebone, Middlesex, Eng (England)
Death: 7 Oct 1902 - Nsw (New South Wales), Aus (Australia)
Marriage: 1890 - Sydney, Nsw (New South Wales), Aus (Australia)
Parents: Charles Lane, Sarah Lane
Spouse: Laura Antonia Tanzler


So we need to find out when this chap left the UK.


Dee x

1841 England Census
about Josiah Lane
Name: Josiah Lane
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Lane 40
Henry Lane 13
Louisa Lane 12
Sarah Lane 35
Fanny Lane 8
Josiah Lane 5
William Lane 3


1851 England Census
about William Lane
Name: William Lane
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Browns Court

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 262
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Lane 50 carman
Louisa Griffith 24
John Lane 16
William Lane 12

Dee - you are definately on to something there - Only on here for a minute so can't help at the moment.

Will pick it up later tonight or tomorrow (If you haven't solved it that is !!)

Dea x

Just to keep in mind;

1861 England Census
about Josiah Lane
Name: Josiah Lane
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 97
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Lane 60 Carman Born Paddington, Middlesex
Josiah Lane 24 Bricklayer
William Lane 21


Address is 3 BROWNS COURT!!!!!!!!

Dee x

Dee try Josiah Lane as an adult that is the name he went by although he wasnt a adult then otherwise the Smith family may be the people who raised him then in that case you might find him in the census as Josiah Smith

So who bought up Josiah Oliver?

Still trying to find the Smith family in 1871.... not having much luck though!


Dee x

I am even more confused, more than before, it looks like Ann may have had the baby but the baby may have been Johns child and Elizabeth occupier of the house, according to the cert kept the child after Ann baptised him knowing that Ann was to young to keep him OOOHHH!!!!
maybe

the address for the birth is 23 Burne St Marylebone sub district Christchurch 28.7.1863 registered on17.8.1863

1851 England Census
about Elizabeth Oliver
Name: Elizabeth Oliver
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxford L, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Rectory
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Cavendish Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 143
Household Members: Name Age
James Oliver 28
Elizabeth Oliver 26
James Oliver 1
John Oliver 17


On the 1861 census for the Smith family Elizabeth was born Oxfordshire....... Could she have remarried to john Smith??? Note that James is 1 could he be James Smith in 1861??


Dee x

birth cert says clearly Ann Oliver mother the writing is very neat and clear

1861 England Census
about Henry Smith
Name: Henry Smith
Age: 11 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: St Marylebone

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 143
Household Members: Name Age
John Smith 35 Occupation; CARTER
Elizabeth Smith 30
Ann Smith 15 <<<<<<<<<<<?????
James Smith 11
George Smith 6
Henry Smith 11 Mo
James Peckett 30


Could Ann Smith be Josiah Olivers' mother????



Dee x

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Henry Smith
Name: Henry Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 24 Jun 1860
Father's Name: John Smith Occupation CARMAN
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Smith
Parish: Saint Mary, Bryanston Square
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

Born May 1860, address 7 Walmer Street



Dee x