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I cant see this one on any census!! Maybe someone else could take a look...just to be on the safe side ;)

Name: William Collins
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Chelsea (1841-1981)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 168

Misty x

I think I will either , have to go on the premise that William was Williams son just born before the marriage... lol that way I keep 2 years of research and a lifetime of knowing who my gt gt grandfather was ...

or go for the poss W Collins cert and see if it tells me anything ...

Thankyou to all for looking , :))

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I will try the one Misty has posted below I think Maggie, will let you know :)

either way I think I am going to have to renew with Ancestry lol it's driving me mad not to be able to look :)

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Rose, I agree with Maggie, I would have to buy the cert....because I wouldnt be able to stop myself ( no will power !! )

I'm having the same problem with my Grandfather c 1858, now have about 15 certs, along with aprox 2yr of research and still cant find him....so I've decided the one I believe is him, is him....but I shall never stop looking for proof !!

Best of luck, shall bookmark this to see how you get on....

Misty x

Thanks Misty, I hope you get your 'proof' , I am still sat here looking at a photo of my gt gt grandfather and his 'son' trying to decide if they look sufficiently alike lol. Will add when I get some info,

Maggie I will , I do so many look ups for other people now, and it is so satisfying to find someone even if it's not 'your own' ...I found my mum's best friend a first cousin once removed last week...and acting as go between with photos etc.

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Hi I thought i would update this for those who helped

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Name: William Collins
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Chelsea (1841-1981)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 168

Today i received the cert, hoping against hope that it would have the father named as William Fishlock. But no, the father is un-named and William jnr was born a year before his 'parents' marriage, in Chelsea workhouse...so it seems not 'entitled' to the name he bore and passed on to my grandmother and her siblings, that is that part of my tree turned to woodchips :(

Thanks again to PollyPoppet, Mistycat and Magnolia :)

Rambling Rose. We all have illegitimacy in our trees.

1750-1850 marked by a higher number of such births By 1840 1 in 3 were outside of marriage in many large cities

My grandmother should have had a different surname but her father took his grandfathers surname after he died and left the family some property.