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Hi Dawn
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I have just started to look into my Gardners tonight. I'm decended from Henry 1840 (Moorsley...coal miner). Seems he lived about 200 yards from me, quite a coincidence... I will try to delve and see what I can find.
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I have just started to look into my Gardners tonight. I'm decended from Henry 1840 (Moorsley...coal miner). Seems he lived about 200 yards from me, quite a coincidence... I will try to delve and see what I can find.
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My thanks go to you all who have offered various answers to my difficulties in my long search at this present time . . .
All that i can say in return - is that as far as i know - Henry, is not a name which has been carried into the families i now know of. So any Henry link in the Gardner field is a real poser? Then again - i'm looking for whoever the William Gardiner (best man/witness) was too - And that's not a common name either. So it's creating a huge puzzle!
The commonest used initial names which i know of through the Gardner lines prior to about 1900 are: James, Joseph, Mary, Isabella, Elizabeth, John, Robert, Jane, Frederick. All others - unless they are coming from the other sides families through any marriage, then they will be unknown to me.
My searching for ancestors has thrown up a lot of Gardners around the Durham area - although i know i'm mainly sticking to those who coal-mined - as it seems a family tradition! (While i have also noted that our surname finally lost any of the additional i's or e's by at least the start of the 1860's - to just become plain Gardner itself. Before that - and in the other relations names, i cannot say for sure though . . .)
Before that though, when being illterate was a hugely commonplace term - i know that it was then down to how Church ministers and other notable persons in such lofty positions went off how it sounded to them when offered for a Birth, Marriage or Death. So a lot of mistakes and misspellings were of course always made at that time too.
Again though - my thanks go to all who are offering their help, it is always very much appreciated.
Keith
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I'm wondering if this isn't John's dad Robt, and his brothers James & Henry's families.
I've no real grounds for this, except Henry seems to be nearby on every census except 1851, when I can't find John.
1851
Robert Gardiner abt 1774 location,NBL Head
Isabella Gardiner abt 1781 location,DUR Wife
Eli Huth [Eli Firth/Forth] abt 1816 location,DUR Head
Jane Huth [Jane Firth/Forth] abt 1811 Rainton Wife
Robert Gardiner abt 1829 Hetton Son-in-Law
Thomas Gardiner abt 1834 location,DUR Son-in-Law
Mary Gardiner abt 1836 Moorsley Daughter-in-Law
Jane Gardiner abt 1839 Moorsley Daughter-in-Law
Henry Gardiner abt 1807 location,NBL Head
Jane Gardiner abt 1810 Hetton Wife
Elizabeth Gardiner abt 1831 Moorsley Daughter
Mary Gardiner abt 1835 East Rainton Daughter
Ann Gardiner abt 1837 Hetton Daughter
Henry Gardiner abt 1839 Moorsley Son
Jane Gardiner abt 1840 location,DUR Daughter
James Gardiner abt 1844 Moorsley Son
Isabel Gardiner abt 1846 Moorsley Daughter
Hannah Gardiner abt 1849 Moorsley Daughter
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Marr 1841q1
FORTH Eli 1841 Durham Central
GARDENER Jane 1841 Durham Central
HARLAND Jane 1841 Durham Central
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DCCE27/1 - 176 - Durham Central (1841)
[DCCE27 = St.Laurence Pittington (formerly St. Lawrence)]
http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/
DUR BTs Baptisms in Houghton le Spring 1829 (image 444 of 553)
[Entry] No. 82 June 28th; Robert Son of; James & Jane Gardener; Hetton; Pitman; Charles Nesfield Curate
DUR BTs - Houghton le Spring (image 469 of 553)
Henry Gardener of this Parish
and Jane Walker of this Parish
were married in this Church by Banns with Consent of
____________________ this twenty ninth Day of
June in the Year one Thousand eight Hundred and Twenty nine
By me Charles Nesfield Curate
This Marriage was solemnized between us { Henry his X mark Gardener
{ Jane her X mark Walker now Gardener
In the Presence of { George Wilson
{ Ann Watson
No. 170
DUR BTs - Houghton le Spring [1830] (image 514 of 553)
[Entry] No. 665 Sepr 5th; Elizabeth Dr of; Henry and Jane; Gardener; Hetton; Pitman; Robert Shepherd Curate
Deaths Jun 1869 (>99%)
Gardner Henry 62 Houghton 10a 227
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West Moor - Killingworth [Township] - See: Longbenton [Parish]
(RegD/SubD) Tynemouth/Longbenton - See: North Tyneside
No middle names to go on?
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Keith..have you looked at Durham Records on Line...there are some 2321 records for Gardner on there...
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My first attempt on here was on (10th April 2007 & a latter one again on 05/01/09)
So this, is again for (any) of you possible Gardner's with links which go back to the North-East of England. (Especially from a background of (coal mining?) In the local areas and regions of Durham (Moorsley & West Rainton, Hetton, Houghton), as well as near the Gateshead or Heworth area of the Felling.)
I'm almost at the end of 3 years searching now - and so far still have nothing much to shout about really - (except for 1 Felling and 1 USA hit have come to light at all to help me (Felling one via Hot Matches, the USA one through a lucky Google long shot!) - so i thought that i'd better give this way another go and see if i'll be any luckier . . .
I have now managed to go as far back as the 1790's, and it has been very difficult before the 1880's in really gaining any previous knowledge . . . Although everything still seems to be happening around the (Low Moorsley) area of Durham back then. Births, Baptisms and Marriages most of all)
So, from some finally found marriage certificates - we now begin with a Robert Gardner (its spelling noted down back then as being Gardiner, born approx c1791 (somewhere) in the UK, or other? His wife by name is still totally unknown - and both he and she could likewise have also had siblings (brothers and sisters?)
His son, (well, the only one i know of right now!) - John (Gardiner), was born c1818, (As far as is known - at West Moor, Nothumberland?) - John married a Mary Howe from Moorsley, Durham, c1821 on July 6th 1839. (This info is from the found marriage certificate) As is maybe a William Gardiner as a possible brother or cousin on John's side due to him being named at wedding on certificate . . . (Likely as his best man/witness)
John & Mary (Gardner) then had 10 children - James 1841, Joseph & James 1844, Mary 1846, Isabella 1850, Elizabeth 1852, John 1853, John 1855, Robert 1857, Jane 1863.
The only data i have found so far from this era - is that of Joseph (above) - (who was my own G-Grandfather). And of youngest daughter (My G-G Aunt) and child, Jane, who as far as i can tell married a William Wright from Dowlias, Merthy Tydfil Wales, and that they only had 1 daughter named Elizabeth, who was married in Washington UK to a Robert Bolam, and they then emigrated to the US in the 1920's. Isabella, (also a G-G Aunt), married a Joseph Wanless and were seemingly childless - but brought up my own grandfather. (as stated in census reports from 1881-1901) - Probably when Joseph's first wife Elizabeth died . . . may have been at birth or just after it? (not sure)
I was waiting for word back from a recently found relation, I. Robson in Felling about the other missing (at the moment) children of Joseph & Elizabeth (possibly nee Thompson, and from Trimdon), born approx c1847-8. And also his 2nd wife Isabella (Howe) born c1860, Low Moorsley. (This newly found relative has now aparently vanished from here now?)
But as for the other 7 also named above children of John & Mary Gardner . . . James 1941, James 1844, Mary 1846, Elizabeth 1852, John 1853, John 1855, Robert 1857 there has so far been no clues or signs of where any of them may have got to - either here in the North-east, or anywhere else in the UK - or abroad if they may have emigrated? (Or even if they died while young too!)
And so, at this moment in time - i am hoping that someone else may just be trying to find out something about their own great-grandparents (and also much further back) quite soon. And that any of the above names, or that of the places where many of them were born may just ring the right bell with them. (Or from what they may already know about them upto now?)
Which place-wise, is likely to be centered mainly around the areas of Low Moorsley, Moorsley, West Rainton, Hetton-le-Hole, or Houghton-le-Spring & the Felling. . . (All situated in the Durham area in these days) . . . Felling is under Gateshead now.
I can only offer my thanks to anyone out there if any help could at all be forthcoming in aid of helping me out with the many missing links. And my fingers are crossed all over once again right now that any kind of a new match-up may just happen . . . finally.
My Regards to any involved,
Keith Gardner
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