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Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Mary	Report	1 May 2010 23:22
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Hi Erin Sorry for long delay family commitments overtook time Marriage shows Margaret Reilly Father Phillip . Joseph Kelly Father Thomas Kelly.I did already have info on Joseph's father being Thomas and his mother as Bridget.(Unsure of where info found at this moment) I promise myself that one day I will get back into Kelly family tree.Thank you for all the time and help you gave me But think you will hear from me again when I restart search Many many thanks
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Eringobragh1916	Report	22 Jan 2010 10:38
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Morning Mary.... Do you have a copy of the Full Transcript (30 Credits) or the abridged version...the abdriged version doesn't give all the details... The answer to whether a child born in later years may be given the same name as one who had died is yes... I suggest you get the Marriage Cert for Joseph Kelly and Margaret Reilly married Holy Cross RC Church. this will give you respective fathers names and my money is on Philip Reilly living next door as Margarets father and John Kelly down the Street as Josephs...
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Mary	Report	21 Jan 2010 23:24
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Hi Erin The bit that is confusing is the entry on 15/1/2010 10.52 where you say 1911 census will show number of children both living and dead.I have a copy which does not say anything about number of children. Also would they have called a later child the same name as one who had died? Thanks for helping Mary
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Eringobragh1916	Report	21 Jan 2010 14:37
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Afternoon Mary....Thank you for the update but why are you confused...??? 1911.....Margaret Kelly nee Reilly (Widow) is living with children Philip and Andrew at the home of her daughter Mary Ellen Farrell..... What am I missing that's causing your confusion...???
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Mary	Report	21 Jan 2010 14:20
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Hi Erin Received Dad's bith cert Maiden name "Riley".I am now more confused by what you say re 1911 census I am convinced i have correct 1911 census where Margaret is now a widow with philip and Andrew and living with Mary Ellen Farrell her married daughter . I did Know Maggie( the 5 old daughter on the census). I feel stuck so will give up Kelly's for moment any feedback or clarification would help Many thanks Mary
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Eringobragh1916	Report	16 Jan 2010 11:37
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Morning Mary....My money is still on Reilly...!! Will keep looking and wait to hear what the outcome of the Birth Cert.is.and yes I will hold onto the details...
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Mary	Report	15 Jan 2010 23:41
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Hi Erin 1891 census is as follows Joseph head 35 born 1856 electrician /Margaret wife 32 born 1859 Mary E 9 born 1882/ Thomas 5 1886/ Joseph 6 1885/ John 4 1887/ James 3 1888/ William 1 1890 all living at 1,4 Court Adlington liverpool Ref:RG12 piece 2907 Folio 60 page 21 Reg DstLiverpool Sub Dst Dale St Enumar 4 Ecclesiastical St Stephens Civil Parish/Borough Liverpool County Lancs. Margaret was certainly kept busy and still more to follow Edward 1891/2 Phillip 1893/4 Andrew 1895.I have requested Andrew's (Dad) birth cert and will let you know maiden name Thank you so much .Will you be able to keep details as I feel I am going to struggle with Kelly's details as I know William had 13 children!!!!!!once again many thanks Mary
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Eringobragh1916	Report	15 Jan 2010 14:27
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Mary....Can you list details you have from the 1891 Census as I dont have access....the childrens names especially.
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Mary	Report	15 Jan 2010 14:11
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Hi Erin Thanks for your assistance .I do know Mary Ellen was oldest as I remember meeting her ( 1 of the very few relatives I ever met because of a family row) when I was very young. I have found my Dad's family on the 1911 census.My grandmother now a widow Philip and my Dad living with Mary Ellen ( Farrell) as she is now. (RG14PN22127 RG78~PN1311. My problem is still not knowing Margaret's maiden name and the more I search the more I am becoming convinced they were probably not married until 1881/1882 as she had children in 82/83/85/87/88/90/92/94/95 .I can't believe they would wait a few years and then have 9kids in rapid succession I knew researching Kelly's would be difficult but did not realise would hit problem immediately.Think I will have to flash the credit card for GRO Dad@s birth cert many thanksoffice and get
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Eringobragh1916	Report	15 Jan 2010 10:52
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Mary....Although you say Mary E. was the eldest...How do you know that...was the info. taken from the 1891 Census...? If so dont rely on that being accurate children can be born and have died in the interim periods... There is a Death of a Philip Kelly aged 6 yrs 1895 listed for L.Pool. Have a look at the 1911 Census for the number of children J and M had ...it shows living and died. For ref. Living with Philip Reilly (next door) was Catherine Kelly aged 15yrs and down at No.9 was John (52) and Mary Kelly (53). The surname Riley/Reilly/Rielly (as per entry in Holy Cross Church Marriage Record) are the way it has been written by the transcriber. If the family were RC then the "Quinn" marriage should have listed "Registrar attended" . Let us know how you come on...
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Mary	Report	15 Jan 2010 09:46
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Thanks mgvn and to everyone else whohelped in search Looks like Dad's birth cert best option Mary
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 7,623 Send Message	mgnv	Report	15 Jan 2010 01:26
	The actual b.cert shows the mother's names - it's just not shown in the index back then, and it's the index you're searching in.
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Mary	Report	14 Jan 2010 23:59
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Hi Erin phillip was not born until 1893/1894.Their eldest child Mary E(llen) born 1882. I have found them on 1891 census when they lived 1,4 Court Adlington Liverpool Ref RG12 Piece 2907 Folio 60 Page 21 Still not sure Margaret maiden name was Quinn/Riley/Reilly Thanks for helping Mary
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 5,758 Send Message	lancashireAnn	Report	14 Jan 2010 13:36
	you really do need to send for your father's birth certificate. Other than finding all the details in a baptism record if you knew where he was baptised it is the only certain way of proving his mother's name. DO NOT pay more than £7 for a certificate. Not sure if the £14 you referred to in your first post meant for 1 or 2 certificates.
	Researching: Liverpool (Cartwright, Chambers, Miller), Todmorden (Sutcliffe, Mallison), Abergavenny (Watkins, Prosser)
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Eringobragh1916	Report	14 Jan 2010 11:25
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Mary is this Joseph and Margaret 1881...with son Philip aged 1yr. If so then Margarets parents live next door. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Margaret KELLY Household Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Information: Birth Year Birthplace Liverpool, Lancashire, England Age 23 Occupation Marital Status M Head of Household Joseph KELLY Relation Wife Disability -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 12 Trueman St Census Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England Family History Library Film 1341864 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3608 / 64 Page Number 25 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Eringobragh1916	Report	14 Jan 2010 10:56
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 5,047 Send Message	Mary.... Joseph Kelly married Margaret Rielly at Holy Cross RC Church 1878. There is a Birth of Andrew P Kelly registered for 1895 Toxteth Park..
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Mary	Report	14 Jan 2010 00:24
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Hi Tried Lancs BMD no joy Mary
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Mary	Report	14 Jan 2010 00:23
Member Since: November 2008 Posts: 94 Send Message	Hi Andrew Kelly 1895 August found his family details on 1901 census Many thanks Mary
Member Since: May 2006 Posts: 2,331 Send Message	ellieathome	Report	14 Jan 2010 00:21
	http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi
	Researching: "You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S.Lewis
Member Since: May 2006 Posts: 2,331 Send Message	ellieathome	Report	14 Jan 2010 00:18
	So whats your Father's name and year born?
	Researching: "You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S.Lewis

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