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hi Ladykira, Yes I did know it was you, my message was specificly meant for you. I was for giving up on this, but your interest prompted me to have another go at it. I knew about the child Walter but had not got his birth cert. I thought he was born after Elizabeths marriage, dont know if William Love is his actual biological father though, once again many thanks for your help, Chrys.

By the way I was formerly Christine in case you had not guessed and worked on your thread with you.

How exciting. This has been interesting as we have not found a record of Harriet and her husband together on any census. You are one step closer.

Hi, I just thought I would let you know that I am now pretty certain that Harriet Martin is the one and the same Harriet Bennett, I was having another look through censuses and noticed on the 1891 one there is a Walter E Coller living next door to her, being curious I sent of for the birth cert and it turns out his mother was Martin Collars daughter Elizabeth. She married a William Love, born 1866 Tunbridge Wells in 1891, on 1901 census I find a Walter Edward Love in Gillingham kent with Elizabeth and William, but there is no record of his birth as Love. I then looked back on censuses and only then did I see Harriet Martin 1871, with nieghbors George Love and family, Williams Father, It seems obvious Harriet and Martin were in touch with one another and Elizabeth and William proberly met while she was in Tunbridge Wells( he is a visitor on 1891 at a house she is lodging in. I have also found a death for a Charles William Bennett 1866 in Wandsworth London age 6, which is where Martin was living and Im hopeing its the missing son. Will let you know as soon as i receive it, just wanted to thank you and say I proberly would have just shelved this if you hadnt taken the time to respond to my pleas for help, best wishes Chrys.

Hi again, yes I think I will have to join, I completly forgot I had posted a message, many thanks for the link, Chrys.

this is someone who may be prepared to help

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gloverhoward/sources2.htm

Hi Ladykira, Im inclined to agree with you , I most certainly wouldnt want to be associated with someone who had abandoned me, I just dont know if her brother actually new a lot about her life, He had only been living in Tunbridge Wells for a couple of years before she died. Perhaps she abandonded her husband, I cant help wondering if Martin new she was calling herself Martin, or have the whole family really vanished and we are wrong about everything. I did post a message on the Tunbridge Wells guest book, quite honestly I had forgotten, it was quite a while ago. Chrys.

ok found your post in unedited section

How about direct contact with them or joining?

Did you add anything to the Tunbridge Wells family history Society Guest book?

http://www.twfhs.ik.com/attachments/Guest_Book_proper_pp1-50_as_at_1Jan_20091.pdf

Harriet Bennet widow of Charles William Bennett Master Grocer of Tunbridge Wells.


would you want that as your epitaph if you had been sbandoned.? unlike; as she was living where he was supposed to have liveddSurely you would want no association with the name.

I have searched directories with no luck, unable to find any ref to him via guild of Master Grocers. Also we have to bear in mind if the second marriage is his then he was in London in 1863. I have looked for him with a wife Mary but although I have found a couple with the right names none of them appear to be either Grocers or Dealers.

Did you manage to look in trade directories or apprentice records,

It still bothers me that as a master greengrocer of Tunbridge wells we cannot find him.
He could have been born anywhere.

this last one is quite interesting, Its possible that if Harriet had left him he may have said he was unmarried. The name Hodgson is familiar there are cousins with that name but dont know of any connection to the family of Oxfords.

another grocer/prospective but unmarried 1861

1861 census - household transcription
Person: BENNETT, Charles
Address: 9, Gabriels Hill, Maidstone

OXFORD, Edward Head Married M 30 1831 Grocer...
Hollingbourne
Kent VIEW
OXFORD, Maria Wife Married F 31 1830
Tovil
Kent VIEW
OXFORD, Julia M Daughter F 2 1859
Maidstone
Kent VIEW
OXFORD, Albert ... Son M 1 1860
Maidstone
Kent VIEW
OXFORD, Edward C Son M 0 (2M) 1861
Maidstone
Kent VIEW
HODGSON, Fanny Visitor Unmarried F 26 1835
Essex VIEW
BENNETT, Charles Servant Unmarried M 25 1836 Shopman...
Tovil
Kent VIEW
BENNETT, Emma Servant Unmarried F 16 1845 General Servant
Charing
Kent

Hi Ladykira, No i dont think we have seen this census before, the occupation isnt right because his father is given as being a Coach Proprietor on both Marriages, but who knows, We do have a grocer and a dealer but whether they are the same ones I couldnt say,I have had a quick look on free BMD for a possible death for the son around the Pancras area but couldnt find one. Chrys.

did we find this before


1861 census - household transcription
Person: BENNETT, Charles
Address: 22, Chandlers Shop, Rephidam Street, St George The Martyr, Southwark



BENNETT, Charles Head ... M 62 1799 Grocer
...
Kent VIEW
BENNETT, Richd Son Married M 26 1835 Dealer In...
Convent Garden
Middlesex VIEW
BENNETT, Alfd Daughter In Law Married F 21 1840
...
Wiltshire

hi again Ladykira my word your fast! I have seen this census for charles in the hospital and i did wonder, forgot about it when looking for a death for him, I will look again I might find one that ties in with the area at least many thanks chrys.

possible

1871 census - household transcription
Person: BENNETT, Charles William
Address: Gray's Inn Road (Royal Free Hospital), St Pancras, London


BENNETT, Charles William Patient M 10 1861 Middlesex

Hi ladykira, Harriet Martin1871 1881 is I think my Harriet ,but as you can see no husband or children present. I think she must have been without any family near by when she died as otherwise why would my g grandfather have arranged her burial, his wife Sophia and himself were later buried in the same plot. chrys

1891 census - household transcription
Person: MARTIN, Harriett
Address: 29, Albert Street, Tunbridge, Tunbridge Wells


MARTIN, Harriett Head Widow F 62 1829 Seamstress
Latton
Essex VIEW


I think one suggestion was Harriet,martins sister
perhaps he was responsible for her