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hi Im June Micheals Mother facts i know to help with tracing Florence
my mother and father took me to a lady in pontypridd called auntie Nel i believe she was florences sister this lady was the spitting image of my nan (granny Ice, Florence) she was still alive in 1975/6 may be a few years more as i used to send christmas cards to her at 7 morganny street trehafod pontypridd I dont know her husband or his name i still correspond at christmas with her grandson. I have traced the family so far nell had a son Ramond L. in 1920, he married Morfydd Williams in 1943 they had a son and daughter Graham in 1944 and Cheryl Graham married Pamela cullen in 1966 they had a son Dean Lee in 1969 he married Karen Corbett in swansea in 1994 i have asked pam this christmas but they are busy people she said they would try to put something together when they could if they had time.Raymonds mothers maiden name was palmer.

thanks again for helping us trying to find my grandmother and her birth record and her father family it's proving a hard nut to crack so if there is someome that thinks that they can crack it the info is there in my theard ?????????? cheer's to rose brummiejan , and lancasterann

all the children on that one are registered in St Albans district as Loder - including this one

Births Jun 1874 (>99%)
Loder Florence Agnes St. Alban's 3a 365

No idea if this helps in any way - father has a fancier job than Florence's father, that of Railway Platelayer. He was born in Oxford but that's a very tenuous link I know!

Name: Florence Loader
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Harpenden, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Harpenden
County/Island: Hertfordshire

Registration district: St Albans
Sub-registration district: Harpenden

Thomas Loader 46
Sarah Loader 48
Fanny Loader 18
Thomas Loader 14
Naomi Loader 12
Ruth Loader 10
John Loader 9
Florence Loader 6
William Harding 12

Comments on this folks? Just speculating on the possibility of Palmer/Loader marriage after Florence was born:

Marriages Sep 1885
FRANKUM Sarah Reading 2c 629
LOADER John Thomas Reading 2c 629
PALMER Hannah Reading 2c 629
Waite Wiliam Reading 2c 629
WAITE William Reading 2c 629

Jan

i don't know what the palmer bit is from in her name is that her parents never married so they used both names or is a middle name

yes he was living with his mother and stepfather in ambroseden nr bicster oxford

Have you found George in 1911?

Rose

i have just tryed lousia palmer and found one in the 1911 cenus living at home with a mother mary palmer lousia was single and 35 i keep asking the photo i have of her and george together to give me sign to tell me if im right or not and yet again nothing

Only one Loader family in Bicester in 1911

Household LOADER, Albert John Vivian 1907 4 M Bicester Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household LOADER, Annie Elizabeth 1883 28 F Bicester Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household LOADER, Phyliss Marjorie 1910 1 F Bicester Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household LOADER, Thomas 1877 34 M Bicester Oxfordshire

I suspect plenty of people are also looking for you and not finding her either!

Here are the Brettells in 1911



Household BRETTELL, Daisy Jinnie 1902 9 F Oxford Oxfordshire
Household BRETTELL, Ethel Martha 1898 13 F Oxford Oxfordshire
Household BRETTELL, Harriet 1863 48 F Oxford Oxfordshire
Household BRETTELL, John William 1867 44 M Oxford Oxfordshire

There is no one else in the household with them.

Julie

i can't find this lady on any cenus at all from the 1881 -1911 there is not trace it just keeps ending in nothing iv'e try her as palmer-loader palmer and loader and nothing

witnnes john william brettell and harriet brettell

this is the nearest I can find in 1881

George HAWTIN Head M Male 65 Kirtlington, Oxford, England Ag Lab
Amy HAWTIN Wife M Female 65 Kirtlington, Oxford, England
Ann S. HAWTIN Daur U Female 29 Kirtlington, Oxford, England Dressmaker
Florence C. LOADER Grandaur Female 5 Haselmere, Surrey, England

Source Information:
Dwelling Bicester Lodge
Census Place Kirtlington, Oxford, England
Family History Library Film 1341364
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1505 / 25
Page Number 7

So she was even older than we thought.

Who were the witnesses?

Rose

if any wants to please read this and help me please

florence louisa palmer loader age 39 years spinster, domestic servant , lived at mill st islip oxford
got married on the april 1915
florence fathers name was thomas loader (deceased) general labour

if you give the basic details from the certificate it would give everyone a base to start from

age, status(bachelor/widower spinster/widow etc), occupation, & fathers names & occupations. They all help to find the right people in previous censuses.

we now have marriage certificate what do you require now

Michael, it's so easy to get fazed by too much info! Just follow your plan to get that marriage cert and take it from there.
Jan