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Hi Dee, you are absolutely right with your finds. I did some work on the Schoon family some years ago for another 'cousin' but it will probably take a while to find the flile.
What I would really like would be for you to find Mercy Drake. I searched round Shipley but never saw a trace.........

O.K. Natasha, I have caught up with where you are and have to tell you that the Craven cousins are mine and I have the family back to c.1510 - a very long, intriguing story!
I assume John's father William was born in Thornton in 1828?

Frances

The 1871 census shows a son Charles Drake Craven for William and harriet;

Groom's Name: John Craven
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Mercy Drake
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 08 Jul 1824
Marriage Place: Bradford, York, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03306-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 990536
Reference Number: 19

Name: William Craven
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Apr 1828
Baptism/Christening Place: KIPPING INDEPENDENT-NC,THORNTON BY BRADFORD,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 14 Feb 1828
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Craven
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mercy
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00914-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1646711
Reference Number:


Name: Dinah Craven
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 06 Mar 1832
Baptism/Christening Place: KIPPING INDEPENDENT-NC,THORNTON BY BRADFORD,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 03 Jan 1832
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Craven
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mercy
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00914-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1646711
Reference Number:


1851 England Census
about Dinah Craven
Name: Dinah Craven
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Craven
Mother's name: Mercy Craven
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Thornton, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bowling
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bowling
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
John Craven 50 Born Thornton
Mercy Craven 58 Born Shipley, Yorkshire,
Dinah Craven 19
Elizabeth Craven 14
Phineas Craven 19
Wm Smith 22

1841 England Census
about Jabez Schoon
Name: Jabez Schoon
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bradford
Hundred: Morley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bowling
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jabez Schoon 35
Mary Schoon 30
Ann Schoon 1

Tieing in the Snowden name, another child for Jabez and Mary Ann;

Name: Martha Snowden Schoon
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 05 Oct 1828
Baptism/Christening Place: EASTBROOK WESLEYAN,BRADFORD,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 02 Sep 1828
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Jabez Schoon
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Snowden
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C08014-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 816620
Reference Number:

Hi Natasha,

Name: Harriet Attwood Newel Schoon
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 14 May 1830
Baptism/Christening Place: Bradford, York, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Jabez Schoon
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03307-9
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 990538
Reference Number: 138


1851 England Census
about Harriet A N Craver
Name: Harriet A N Craver
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bowling, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bowling
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bowling
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members: Name Age
James Snowden 74
Mary Snowden 73
Martha Jones 22
William Craver 23
Harriet A N Craver 20


I can't view the original image at the mo.... it also states that William is Grandson, but the original image may say differently?


Dee x

Possible marriage for William and Harriet:

Marriages Mar 1851 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Costello WILLIAM BRADFORD Y 23 267
>>>>>>>Craven WILLIAM BRADFORD Y 23 267
Hobbins Judith Bradford Y 23 267
Kirran Bridget Bradford Y 23 267
McCall Phillip Bradford Y 23 267
McEvan Hugh Bradford Y 23 267
McGann Elizabeth Bradford Y 23 267
>>>>>>>>Schoon Harriet Atwood Newell Bradford Y 23 267
>>>>>>>>Schoon Harriet Atwood Newett Bradford Y 23 267

The same family in 1871 (Henrietta's middle name could be a clue to her maiden name and William's mother is there!):

1871 England Census
about John Williams Craven
Name: John Williams Craven
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Craven
Mother's name: Harriet Atwood Craven
Gender: Male
Where born: Bowling, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Horton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Bradford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Horton
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
William Craven 43 - Manager at a Worsted Manufactory
Harriet Atwood Craven 40
Henrietta Ruth Craven 19
Fred Craven 15
Charles Drake Craven 13
John Williams Craven 11
Harry Craven 9
Francis Amelia Craven 6
Louisa Mercy Craven 5
Herbert Craven 2
Mercy Craven 78 b Yorks, Shipley

This William is Worsted Manufacturer:

1861 England Census
about John W Craven
Name: John W Craven
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Craven
Mother's name: Harriet Craven
Gender: Male
Where born: Bfd, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bradford
Town: Bradford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bradford East End
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
William Craven 33 b Thornton, Yorkshire
Harriet Craven 31
Henrietta R Craven 9
Fred Craven 5
Charles D Craven 3
John W Craven 1
Susen Sharp 23

All born Bradford, except William. Given John W's age, I would think the 1859 reg would be his.

Hi Potty

Thanks, I didn't think of that so I have messaged Frances.

His father's name was William and he was a stuff manufacturer in 1898 which was the time of John's second marriage and he was deceased. In 1890 when he married Betsy, William's profession is Manufacturer's Manager

Thanks for the birth info, I will look into them.

Thanks again

Natasha

What is John's father's name and occupation (from John's marriage cert)?

There are a couple of possible births on freebmd:

Births Mar 1859 (>99%)
CRAVEN John William Bradford Yk 9B 164

Births Dec 1860 (>99%)
CRAVEN John William Bradford Yk _b 8 - the image says 9b 107


There is also this one, but possibly a bit late:

Births Dec 1861 (>99%)
CRAVEN John William Bradford 9b 113

Natasha,

Frances's post was a year ago - she might not be checking the boards any more. If you click on her name, you can send her a message via GR - they will advise her by email, assuming she still has the same email address.

Hi Frances

Frank Craven (John William and Betsy's second son) was my grandfather and I have been trying to research the family over the last year but it is so difficult with so many Craven's in that area of Yorkshire.

The reason you can't find them in the 1911 census is because they emigrated to Australia. I am not sure of the date but have been told by my father that it was around 1905, but I have not yet found them on any passenger lists but will keep digging.

Dee is correct, Clara was his second wife, Betsy his first. I am not sure if you know this but Clara was actually his cousin.

I have a copy of their marriage certificate which I can email you if you like.

I'm having trouble finding John William's birth certificate so if anyone can help on that I would be eternally grateful.

Thanks

Natasha

Hi Joan,
Clara Leonora was my mother's aunt but my mother never spoke of her so I only know what I have found by research.

Frances

Hi
A Lucille Craven b 1903 Lancaster has the mmn ATKINSON.
PS. Isle of Man is a lovely place to take a holiday !

Did they turn up later in your searches which will help us find them in 1911 ?
Joan

Thanks Joan, I also found Alfred 1901 and Lucille 1903 but only Alfred shows up in 1911 so presumably not the same one. I think the whole family has opted out of the 1911 - perhaps they emigrated, or were on holiday in the Isle of Man........

Frances
I have looked at the lancashire bmd and put in CRAVEN birth mmn LEACH.
It shows up an ALFRED CRAVEN mmn LEACH b 1901 Heaton district and registered Preston.( on Dee's 1901 the sub reg dist, is Heaton.)
On free bmd there is a birth of Alfred Craven sept 1901 Lancaster.
This may be another child.
Good luck
Joan

Hi again
I can't find them on the 1911.
Joan