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Hi
I have kates parents as catherine carle and patrick o'neill both from ireland....kate was born in wrexham.The servent in chorlton could be kate but Id hoped the census would show that other family members were called kennedy [the story goes that kate was a servant and ran away with her employers son.I have the oldham and newton le willows census details in my tree....with regard to timothy o'neill,I think he may have been kates uncle [her dad patricks brother] - I found them both on census in wrexham and both were Hawkers.....As I say I have done a lot of research over the past years but edward kennedys birth eludes me !!!
If this is kate working as a servant in chorlton is it possible to search that area for kennedys who may live close by ??
thanks
Lynda :D

Hey, why can't I find them on the 1891??

Is this Catherine in 1861? --

Name: Catherine Oneill
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Timothy Oneill
Mother's name: Ann Oneill
Where born: Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Wrexham Regis

Timothy Oneill 36
Ann Oneill 40
Mary Ann Oneill 10
Lawrence Oneill 8
John Oneill 5
Catherine Oneill 1


Just wondering whether tracing her might show where she and Edward crossed paths.

The eldest child in 1901 shows as being born in Oldham.

Edward Kennedy 39 - Wrexham - brick cutter?
Catherine Kennedy 37 - Wrexham
Alfred Kennedy 16 0ldham, Lancashire
Kate Kennedy 12 Earlestown, Lancashire
Clara Kennedy 10 - Earlestown, Lancashire
Thomas Kennedy 7
Elizabeth Kennedy 5
Jane Kennedy 2


Sure are some Irish sounding names there ...

I still can't find them in 1891 for love nor money.

Earlestown seems to be in Newton in Makerfield in Warrington reg dist, and there's a Clara birth there in Q3 1891. Here we are, in 1891, for our info:

Name: Edward Kennedy
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Kate Kennedy
Where born: Westham, Denbighshire, Wales
Occupation: bricklayer

Civil parish: Newton

Edward Kennedy 31
Kate Kennedy 29
Alfred Kennedy 6
Kate Kennedy 2


So here's Kate/Catherine in 1881:

Name: Kate O'neill
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Servant
Where born: Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil parish: Chorlton On Medlock
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Chorlton

John Elliott 34
Margaret Elliott 30
Harold Beaty Elliott 8
Agnes Beatty 41
Kate O'neill 19


Not a lot of Kennedys born in Wrexham. This is the only other one I see in the censuses, and only in 1901:

Name: Annie Kennedy
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Boarder
no occupation shown
Where born: Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil parish: Toxteth Park

She's married. No husband present.

no sign of him in 1881...ive even looked at overseas births.on one census record there is a cross where they are supposed to say how many years been married which I think means he wasnt. The family say he was wealthy and ran away with the maid...they had 10 children together and one of the daughters was my greatgran - its strange how he has said he was born in wrexham AND Nottingham - the family story is that he was born in Nottingham.....hes a tough one to find !!!!

He gives his birthplace as Wrexham in both 1891 and 1901.

Have you located him in 1881 - and earlier?

Before 1875, there was no penalty for not registering births.

Have you looked for a baptism?

Of course, without accurate birthplace info, it will be tricky, and his not marrying means that you have no way of verifying his father's name.......even if he knew him

just for INFO............1911

Person: KENNEDY, Edward
Address: 4 Grafton Street Earlestown Lancashire


KENNEDY, Edward Husband Married M 49 1862 Brick Setter Nottingham VIEW
KENNEDY, Catherin Wife Married F 50 1861 Wrexham Denbighshire VIEW
KENNEDY, Jane Daughter F 12 1899 Warrington Lancs VIEW
KENNEDY, Enenlor Daughter F 9 1902 Earlestown Lancs VIEW
KENNEDY, Mary Helen Daughter F 7 1904 Earlestown Lancs VIEW
KENNEDY, Aggnes Daughter F 3 1908 Earlestown Lancs VIEW


Weird to describe himself as 'Husband'........it would normally be 'Head'

still looking for a birth certificate for edward kennedy born 1862.I have his death certificate so im fairly certain about his birth year - he lived with catherine o'neill and they had 10 children together and eventually settled in newton. I have spent 3 years trying to find his birth record - 1911 census says born in nottingham but 1901 census says born in wrexham [his partner came from wrexham]. can anyone advise me how to proceed please or do I just have to accept that there is no way of tracing him now ?
very many thanks.
Lynda

I have spent the last 2 days looking for a marriage and their doesnt seem to be one - I have been advised that the next best option is to try to find his birth.....too much conflicting info about birthplace though - some census records say wrexham and some say nottingham but I cant find him in either place..now trying to find him in leicester....is it always so difficult trying to find ancestors ???
lynda

This is the EDWARD KENNEDY whose marriage you are looking for on TRYING TO FIND

People will be duplicating lookups - which isn't fair on them.

no marriage - on 1911 census there is a large x next to marriage particulars...seem to have hit a blank wall
lyn

sorry ??

One post per topic is the GR rule.....................

some debate about birth place - have been advised that he may have been born in leicestershire around 1858 - this man will show on census as having servants because he apparently ran away with one and married her.......!!!
thanks
Lynda