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I'm absolutely gutted! It's almost like a double grieving. But my brother spoke to her husband's family last night and they are very keen to keep in touch, so that will help.
Thanks again
Paula

Hello Paula,

That's sad news after we got so close to finding her. Hope you're doing ok.

Rose

My brother tonight rang Stanley and spoke to his wife. The sad news is that Pat passed away 2 years ago, so we will never have the chance to meet her. However the family want us to keep in touch and have some photos that she will send to us, so we will look forward to those.
Thank you all so much for all your help - it really appreciated.
Paula

Hi Paula,

Looks like Simon is Stanley's son-in-law. I couldn't find any children for Gwyneth and Thomas.

Rose

Thank you Rose. I have emailed Simon asking for some details. Would be so funny if he is Gwyneth's son - we also have a son called Symon!

Paula,

Have an address and phone number of Stanley Say who looks to be Thomas' brother.

Will PM the results.

Rose

If you use the search at the top for Thomas Say born 1946 someone called Simon has him in his tree. You could try contacting him.

Rose

Paula,

Is that the 31a address? I just Googled it and the house sold in July last year.

You can check here:

http://www.housepricespy.com

If you write a letter perhaps the new occupants can help?

Rose

I have found out the information from the electoral roll and Gwyneth P Say lives in the same address I found for Thomas D Say in a 1984 phonebook. I have now asked my cousins in England to make contact, as one of them is a similar age and used to play with her as a child. I will let you know what happens. Thank you so much for your efforts - I really appreciate it.
Paula

No response from Whirley yet.

Rose

Thank you so much everybody. I have also found out about Gwyneth Say, and have paid credits to look at the electoral roll. However they have to wait for my credit card to clear, so I'm still waiting!! This is getting to be very exciting.
Paula

Have PMed Whirley.

Rose

Madmeg,

Jean can only do current lookups and Gwyneth is only listed between 2002-2008.

We need Whirley.

Rose

I've asked Jean for a look-up. Couldn't bear to wait!!!

Rose, I thought of that too. Good thinking eh?

Given her age, she is probably still alive. So the next port of call is Jean with Electoral Roll Look ups. For either Gwyneth Say or Gwyneth Phillips.

I can never find Jean's link. She's in my contacts. Can anyone else give us the link to pass to Paula?

There's a Gwyneth P Say on 192 who is between 61-65 so the correct age range.

The one who married James W Phillips is over 65.

I like to think Gwyneth P Say might be the one with the P standing for Patricia.

Rose

Just to say I have search FMP emigrations, and similar on Ancestry, and can't find her emigrating.

Possible marriage?

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Gwyneth Pemberton
Name: Gwyneth Pemberton
Spouse Surname: Phillips
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1966
Registration district: Wrexham
Registration county (inferred): Denbighshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 836
Find Spouse: James W Phillips

or this one:

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Gwyneth P Pemberton
Name: Gwyneth P Pemberton
Spouse Surname: Say
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1969
Registration district: Wrexham
Registration county (inferred): Denbighshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 899
Find Spouse: Thomas D Say



Rose

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Olwena Pemberton
Name: Olwena Pemberton
Birth Date: 25 Dec 1913
Death Registration Month/Year: May 1988
Age at death (estimated): 74
Registration district: Wrexham Maelor
Inferred County: Clwyd
Volume: 24
Page: 1168

Rose