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Hi Mary

Lol yes, one awkward family as you say! You've been working on it for hours - I've kept returning to them over the last 3 years!

Lobley and Seth (my other half's great grandad) were imprisoned for what we would now call receiving stolen goods, and Edward (their brother - and a Conservative councillor) got three weeks for thumping someone who said his speech making abilities were rubbish!!

I took a tip from another board and joined Lancashire Libraries, through which I have been able to access all kinds of adverts, obituaries, articles about the three of them - but nothing about any of Edward's offspring.

Ah well. Thanks for trying anyway!! Think I'll head for bed and try again tomorrow ...

Chris x

Been looking for hours with no new info except it seems Seth Oddy was imprisoned in March 1866 for 18months for false pretences with him also was William Lobley Oddy for same offence.

Maryb

This one awkward family for finding info.

Maybe contact with the person who altered 1871 census for Albert Edward Oddy with Clara and Maud boarders at school,there name was Oddy but I couldn't find a tree on Ancestry but they must have some connection to this family.

Nudging this just in case there are any masochists out there tonight!

Chris x

Well thank you for all your help anyway! And don't hesitate to pm me about 1911.

I would like to think we have begun to solve the question about Catherine -even if yet more questions have been raised by you finding someone who looks very much like her!

Now ... perhaps someone else has some great suggestions about Charles/Albert/Edward ... ??

Sorry to hear about your power cut. Its quite calm in south-east Kent (at the moment).

Not sure where to go next with this, Just cannot fathom who Reginald and Cecil are and how they are related, if at all, to Frederick and Catherine, and whether Charles Oddy on the 1891 census is in fact Cecil!

Have had a quick look for Charles Albert Edward, but not seeing anything.

Thanks for the 1911 census offer.

Sorry about the absence without warning - we just had a powercut. Blowing an absolute gale here in South-West France so assume some cable was down somewhere!

Anyway, had a look at the one you suggest - he is born Moston, Lancashire. Darn.

BTW, I have (as you can prob see) a 1911 census sub ... let me know if you need anything ;)

What about looking at this one on the 1911 census ?




HOUSEHOLD TOMLINSON CHARLES ED M 1882 29 Prestwich Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD TOMLINSON ESTHER F 1880 31 Prestwich Lancashire



No credits to view, but don't think it is him, as when I put in place of birth as Yorkshire, it is coming up with no result.



This is the marriage -


Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%)
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*******MITCHELL Esther Prestwich 8d 556
*******TOMLINSON Charles Edward Prestwich 8d 556
TURNER John Prestwich 8d 556
WELCH Mary Prestwich 8d 556



Not clutching at straws now, just grabbing.

A good find again Choccy. What a can of worms this seems to have opened!!

what about this birth for 'Cecil' - named Oddy on 1891 census with Frederick and Catherine Myers ?



Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
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Tomlinson Charles Edward C Holbeck 9b 333




The initials match (if nothing else) !

Sadly it just says "Leeds, Yorkshire". Have tried all kinds of combos to find his brother (or whoever Cecil is!) in the 1911, but as yet, nothing.

And this is BEFORE you begin looking at Charles/Arthur/Edward ...

On the 1911 census, does it actually say where Reginald was born? If we can find a birth, it may help.


I'm not seeing one or anything like at the moment.

Can't see Cecil in 1891.

My thoughts are Reginald and Cecil are brothers, and possibly Charles Oddy was Catherine's illegitimate son.

I should have stuck to looking for one of the other Oddy siblings!

I am really clutching at straws here - Cecil is the same age as Charles E C Oddy - could there have been some mistranscribing? Doesn't explain the sudden appearance of the "T" in 1901 though.

On the 1891 census the only Reginald F Tomlinson born in Leeds in abt 1883 is a boarder in Whittington, Derbyshire. At present, I'm not seeing his brother anywhere!

EDIT Sorry, our posts crossed there. Perhaps in this instance "stepson" means "adopted"?

totally confused as well !!


think this is 'Reggie' in 1891 -


1891 England Census
Name: Reginald F Tomlinson
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Whittington
Ecclesiastical parish: Whittington
Town: Whittington
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Chesterfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline S Crookes 50
Elizabeth Needham 77
Reginald F Tomlinson 8
Hannah Syddall 17




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2766; Folio 58; Page 1; GSU roll: 6097876.

This gets better - by time of 1911 census Reginald is "Reginald Frederick Tomlinson, stepson" ... so in 1901 "T" stood for Tomlinson ... but at what point was Catherine a Tomlinson if she married Frederick as Oddy??

They state they have had NO children born alive to this marriage.

On the plus side, her age (given as 49) means that if this IS my Catherine, she is finally telling the truth about her birthdate!

I was just looking at the 1901 census with the same confusion, Choccy! I think your assumption must be right, that they are Frederick's children ... think I'll just look for them in 1891 and see where they were!

EDIT I can't find them!! Aagh ... the plot thickens ...

Think you'd have to get the certificate to find out whether Edward was deceased, and there again it might or might not say!

Choccy, would the England & Wales Marriage Index show whether or not the bride's father was deceased?

Don't know where these two sons came from !


Perhaps they are sons of Frederick and not Catherine. No sign of Charles Oddy.




1901 England Census
Name: Catherine Mayers
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Frederick
Gender: Female
Where born: Bramley, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Burnley
Ecclesiastical parish: Habergham Eaves St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: West Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 163
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Mayers 43
Catherine Mayers 38
Reginald T Mayers 18
Cecil T Mayers 15




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3870; Folio: 136; Page: 26.