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MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 7 Feb 2010 22:46

Name: Mary Ann Keal
Gender: Female
Father's Name: James Keal
Spouse's name: William Henry Wilson Way
Spouse's Father's Name: William James Way
Marriage Date: 29 Sep 1862
Marriage Place: Clifton, Gloucestershire, England

Maureen

Stella

Stella Report 7 Feb 2010 21:12

MARY LIZZIES death certificate says her name as HOWELL and she died in 1947 maybe she just took on the surname of HOWELL and moved on after he passed on

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 Feb 2010 21:08

Stella, I just wish my own lot were as easy to find!!

Here's Albert with his wife in 1901 - and loads of children.

Name: Albert Howell
Age in 1901: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Aure, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Maindee John
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 253
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Howell 50
Mary Ann Howell 47
Alberta M Howell 17
Ester C Howell 16
Joe S Howell 15
Albert E Howell 13
William J Howell 11
Charles H Howell 9
Elizabeth M Howell 6
Victor S Howell 4

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4961; Folio: 118; Page: 36.

Deaths Dec 1907 (>99%)
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HOWELL Mary Ann 53 Newport, M 11a 117

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 7 Feb 2010 21:04

I would never have believed all this if it hadn't been so backed up by details.
Just have to throw this in 'cause the 1911 transcription was killing me:
Golf Club Liswerry(sp) Newport Mon.

Maureen

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 Feb 2010 21:01

Stella

I have had a look at the online National Archives catalogue but I don't see a divorce for William and Mary but that wasn't that uncommon at that time. They may just have gone their own ways. Also if Mary Lizzie's death was registered in the name Way, she was probably never married to Albert Howell.

Stella

Stella Report 7 Feb 2010 20:47

Rootgarather what can i say you,ve done me proud with all the info you have passed onto me THANK YOU SO MUCH
STELLA

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 Feb 2010 20:46

William is still in Abergavenny in 1911!

HOUSEHOLD WAY WILLIAM HENRY WILSON M 1839 72 Abergavenny Monmouthshire

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 Feb 2010 20:45

1861 - and look who William is lodging with!

Name: William Way
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Keale 60
Harriett Keale 29
Mary Ann Keale 26
Sarah A Clayton 25
Ann P Harris 70
Thomasine P Harris 46
A H Duffrey 23
William Way 23 Warehouseman
John Besozzi 60


Stella

Stella Report 7 Feb 2010 20:45

Thank you maureen that last info you put on is right i am up to date with that as my g g grans surname was Howellm when she passed on THANKS again Stella

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 7 Feb 2010 20:40

Hold on. Mary's re-married or something by 1911.
1911 census transcription details for: Golf Limps Lady Hill Newport

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN31996 RG78PN1840 RD587 SD2 ED37 SN386


Reg. District: Newport Sub District: Newport
Parish: Newport Enum. District: 37
Address: Golf Limps Lady Hill Newport
County: Monmouthshire
HOWELL, Albert Head Married M 60 1851 Signal Fitter Ayre Gloucester
HOWELL, Mary Wife Married
2 years F 35 1876 Stewardess Carlisle Cumberland
WAY, Clarissa Stepdaughter F 12 1899 Newton Abbot Devonshire
HOWELL, Dorohty Visitor F 6 1905 Newport Monmouthshire
MORRIS, Ellen Servant Single F 18 1893 Domestic Servant Newport Monmouthshire


I give up! grin

Maureen

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 Feb 2010 20:38

Here's the death for William's first wife.

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Sep 1896 (>99%)
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Way Marian 62 Abergavenny 11a 32


And his first marriage??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1862 (>99%)
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Bracey William Clifton 6a 242
Cole Henrietta Maria Clifton 6a 242
Keal Mary Ann Clifton 6a 242 <<<<<<<<<<<
Way William Henry Wilson Clifton 6a 242 <<<<<<<<<<

Stella

Stella Report 7 Feb 2010 20:38

thank you so much i believe you could be right and the way they have spelt MARTEN IS THE WAY MY BROTHERS CHRISTIAN NAME IS SPELT

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 7 Feb 2010 20:38

It really does!! Wow! And we're right back at the beginning!!

Maureen

Andrew

Andrew Report 7 Feb 2010 20:38

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Way William H W 76 Abergavenny 11a 46


Andy

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 Feb 2010 20:34

The William H. W. Way on the 1901 census in Abergavenny is described as married although he is a boarder and no wife there for him.



EDIT

That looks like their marriage posted earlier. The one in Abergavenny.

Stella

Stella Report 7 Feb 2010 20:32

Rootgatherer,i see what your saying i dont have my grandmothers birth certificate but i will get one my g g gran was always known as Mary Lizzie and this was on her death certificate in 1947

Stella

Stella Report 7 Feb 2010 20:26

Hi Maureen that is my 2 grandmothers on that census but anything before that has got me puzzled ?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 Feb 2010 20:24

Do you have your Grandmother's birth certificate? Is it possible that Marian Kate Way, aged 26 years on that 1891 census is her mother? I am wondering if the father's name on her marriage certificate is actually that of her Grandfather - given to save face?


Stella

Stella Report 7 Feb 2010 20:23

thank you for the last bit of info i will keep this for my records

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 7 Feb 2010 20:22

I guess this is she? Do you have a birth cert for her?
Name: Clarissa Stella Way
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Newton Abbot
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 117

1901 census transcription details for: 10, Berkeley Place, Bristol

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 2367 Folio: 27 Page: 12

Reg. District: Bristol Sub District: Clifton
Parish: Bristol Enum. District: 18
Ecclesiastical District: St Paul Clifton City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 10, Berkeley Place, Bristol
County: Gloucestershire
WAY, Mary W Head Married F 29 1872 Nurse (Hospital)
Kirk Linton
Cumberland
WAY, Clarissa S W Daughter Single F 2 1899
Newton Abbot
Devonshire

Maureen