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Looks like mgnv may have cracked Mary's name.

1881

Name: George Gray
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Machar, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 168/2
Registration district: Old Machar
Civil parish: Old Machar
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Skene Square
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 220
Line: 23
Roll: cssct1881_52
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Gray 50
William Gray 20
John Gray 16
George Gray 10
George Stuart 45
Robert Donaldson 32
Isabella Ross 46

Source Citation: Parish: Old Machar; ED: 6; Page: 37; Line: 23; Roll cssct1881_52; Year: 1881.



1891 Census

Name: George Gray
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Marjory
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 168/2
Registration district: Old Machar
Civil parish: Aberdeen Old Machar
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 13 Skene Square
Occupation: Blacksmith
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 220
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1891_52
Household Members: Name Age
Marjory Gray 62
John Gray 25
George Gray 20
Mary Brown 54
Mary Fraser 25
Ann James 50
Margaret Carmyllie 13

Source Citation: Parish: Aberdeen Old Machar; ED: 5; Page: 38; Line: 4; Roll CSSCT1891_52; Year: 1891.



Family living in Skene Square in both these census and a slight difference in Mary / Marjory's age - so remember that when looking for her death.

Was George a Blacksmith on his marriage certificate please?

1871 Census

Name: Mary Gray
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Old Deer, Aberdeen
Registration Number: 168/2
Registration district: Old Machar
Civil parish: Old Machar
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 2 Donald Place Close
Occupation: House Keeper
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 289
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1871_34
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Gray 40
William Gray 10 b. Old Deer
John Gray 5 b. Old Machar
George Gray 2 Mo b. Old Machar
George Flament 38
Barbara McKay 20

Source Citation: Parish: Old Machar; ED: 5; Page: 46; Line: 10; Roll CSSCT1871_34; Year: 1871.



Emma, if you think that this is your George with his Mum check the original census on Scotlandspeople to see if Mary is single or widowed. Have you looked at the births for William and John? Do any of the births have an RCE (register of corrected entries)? If Mary was single she may have gone through the courts to prove paternity and this would be recorded on the left hand side of the birth entry at a later date. Have you traced the marriages and deaths etc. of William and John yet? Again their whereabouts could be useful in tracking down the correct death certificate for Mary.

mgnv thanks for that info will have a look into it. Emma

Emma - my gran was named May after her Aunt Margery. Check out:
http://www.whatsinaname.net/

I don't have an Ancestry sub, so I can't see many census details, but I think this is your George:

1871
Mary Gray 40 Old Deer Head Old Machar
George Gray Mary 2m Aberdeen Son Old Machar

1881
Mary Gray 50 Old Deer Head Old Machar
George Gray Mary 10 Old Machar Son Old Machar

1891
Marjory Gray 62 Old Deer Head Old Machar
George Gray Marjory 20 Aberdeen Son Old Machar

1901
Marjory Gray 72 Old Deer Head city
George Gray Marjory 32 Aberdeen Son city
[city: parish=168 i.e., one of the Aberdeen parishes]

With her death pinned down considerably (but not her forename), maybe you can find a d.rego for her - fingers x'ed.

Rootgatherer, You got me thinking and I went back into looking
for father of george but no luck. This is what I have
George Lyon Gray was my grandfather he married Mary Jane
Morrison 9/6/1905 St. Nicholas Aberdeen. May Gray mother
deceased.He was 32 in 1905. Witnesses minister and Alex
Giles and Williamina Lyon. Hope this helps. Emma

Emma

Can we assume that George Gray is your direct line please? Trying to trace the maternal grandparents of an illegitimate child can be tricky. Did George marry please? If he did what are all the details from his marriage certificate. Did he give a name and occupation for his father? Who were the witnesses? This can be useful as he may have had siblings or may have had a cousin from his Mum's side as a witness.

Even if Mary Gray died in Scotland it could be a long trawl to find her death certificate as it is not an uncommon name and if she didn't marry you have no approximate year of birth to work from. Also the only way you could be sure you had found the correct one would be if you could connect the informant's name, relationship and address to information you already have.


EDIT

If she didn't marry and you haven't found a death for her, how do you know that she was born 1830/1 please? Is she not your direct line but a sibling of your direct line? Sorry no that can't be - if she was a sibling you would know her parents' names.......

Hi Aileen, Yes have that info thank you also that Jane Ann Lamb
father was Charles Lamb and also father of Alexander. Williams
father was a William Lamb, Charles was a Farmer and William
a butcher. Have gone further back with the Lambs but ggrandfather
a different matter. My mother said he was born in America and
found that in 1891 census. I remember when my mum was alive
that someone from America came looking for Nerrlies, I know
that a sister (Lizzie) of my mums went to America and may have
been from her side, she died in California. Emma

Hi Tombul, Cannot find a husband for her, she had a son
George b1871 illegitamate, Reg. 22ndFeb. 1871 Old
Machar, Aberdeen. Emma

Did Mary May Gray marry? What was her husbands name?

don't know if you have seen this census return 1881

Name: Alexr Norley
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Helen
Gender: Male
Where born: India, Agra
Registration Number: 168/1
Registration district: St Nicholas
Civil parish: St Nicholas
County: Aberdeenshire
Occupation: Hawker
ED: 17
Household schedule number: 78
Line: 6
Roll: cssct1881_49
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexr Norley 50
Helen Norley 38
Mary Ann Lamb 18
Alexr Lamb 13
Wm Lamb 11
Jane Ann Lamb 9

rootgatherer,I looked in Scotlands People wheninfo was given by a helper. 1841 census Andrew Gray 25, Elizabeth 25, Mary 8. hope
this helps you. Emma

Aileen, Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I would love any
help in searching for Nerrlies. My mother was;
Alexandra Victoria Nerrlie b1902 d 1995 her father
Alexander b1868 d 1940 had15 odd kids have found some of
them his father
Alexander Nerrlie b1832 Agra India? and thats it. Have tried
variants of name. Look forward to hearing from you. Emma

Nether Hawkhillock is 1km S of Ardallie

EDIT With a pic at: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/773315

Emma

Can I ask how you got back to your Mary Gray please? Death certificates in Scotland give the parents' names when the informant knew them.

Hi Emma,
can I try to help you with the Nerrlie side? How far back have you got?

Erin - it's an artifact of FreeCEN's transcription process. In 1851, Old Deer contained 5350 people, of whom 60 were Grays. FreeCEN has only transcribed a small piece of Old Deer, namely the piece that fell outside Aberdeenshire - it fell in a detached bit of Banff and had 603 people incl 9 Grays.

My family are a mystery to me at times and it shows in the info
I find (or not as the case maybe) I have been searching for years
and am stuck with the Nerrlie side of my family. A well onwards
and upwards as they say. Emma

Sorry I took so long in replying but was looking up info from
Astra. I did notice an Andrew and Isabelle and am going to
look into them also Thank you so much for taking the time
to help. Emma

ErinGoBragh1916

Thanks Astra will look into this. Emma

May Gray b1830/1 Old Deer,Scotland. Found her in 1851 census
as house servant aged 21 working for farmer John Gibb and his
wifeElizabeth. Cannot find her parents or when and where she died. Where do I look next, can anyone help please? Emma