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Hi All,

I received the Peacock- Morgan Marriage cert today. It confirms her father was a William (no middle name unfortunately so no extra clues for further investigation!!)

Witnesses were 'W C Peacock' which are the same initials as the grooms father, could he be a witness or is it more likely a sibling?
Also J/I M Carter I have no idea who that is-yet.

On the marriage cert it again clearly states her name as Doris Olive Morgan how or why would she go from being born Olive A Morgan to being Doris O???? Any ideas welcome!!!
Thanks everyone!!

Hi All,

I am about to go onto GRO to order the cert. so should have it early next week. I will gather all the information up and hope that it may fit in with another tree/s somewhere otherwise I shall just add it to my own for others to find as and when necessary.

Thanks again and watch this space!

Lorna x

Those ones in M.T do seem to be a continuation don't they Dea?

Lorna -- don't forget to gather up all the children's names and search trees here for them! (allow a little leeway for birthdates since descendants don't always get 'em right)

FreeBmd site shows at least 7 more children to this marriage + another 3 born in Merthyr T with same surname combination for parents.

Dea x

You're very welcome (from all of us I'm sure).

Just c'mon back to this thread when you get the certificate and let us know!

Thanks so much. I never would have been able to that conclusion by myself. I will order the marriage cert. and will post back to let you know my findings! Thank you all so much for your kindness & time. Fingers crossed!
Lorna x

So you need the Morgan-Peacock marriage cert to confirm her father's name -- and with some luck, a sibling may be a witness!

It is looking good, and we have the 3 votes in now. ;)

The only birth that looks possible is:

Births Dec 1910
MORGAN Olive A W. Ham 4a 257

I think the Olive in the census- hopefully the one I am looking for- must be Dec 1910 Morgan Olive A. W.Ham 4a 257

Seems to be the only on eI can find with a location that is neighbouring chelmsford.

By George I think you've cracked it!! She must have dropped /picked up her first & middle names!

I had been looking on 1911 and could only find this possible which also matches the 1901 which Janey has just posted.

They didn't have a Doris but they DID have an Olive!

MORGAN, William Head Married M 31 1880 Cowman On Farm Maldon Essex
MORGAN, Margaret Wife Married 10 years F 27 1884 Fordham Essex
MORGAN, Alfred Son M 4 1907 School Southminster Essex
MORGAN, Dorothy Daughter F 6 1905 School Southminster Essex
**MORGAN, Olive Daughter M 1 1910 London Bow E ?????????????
PUDNEY, Sussannah Mother In Law Widow F 71 1840 Birch Essex
PUDNEY, Albert Brother In Law Single M 38 1873 General Labourer Fordham Essex
PUDNEY, George Brother In Law Single M 43 1868 General Labourer Fordham Essex
PUDNEY, Ernest Brother In Law Single M 29 1882 General Labourer Fordham Essex
PUDNEY, Arthur Brother In Law Single M 32 1879 Soldier Fordham Essex


Address:
Rettendon Common Chelmsford Essex

Dea x

no credits to view, but


HOUSEHOLD MORGAN ALFRED M 1907 4 Chelmsford Essex
HOUSEHOLD MORGAN DOROTHY F 1905 6 Chelmsford Essex
HOUSEHOLD MORGAN MARGARET F 1884 27 Chelmsford Essex
HOUSEHOLD MORGAN WILLIAM M 1880 31 Chelmsford Essex
HOUSEHOLD MORGAN OLIVE F 1910 1 Chelmsford Essex

There are Morgan births in Chelmsford up to and including one Morgan-Pudney birth, thereafter in Rochford.


1911

MORGAN MARGARET 1884 27 Chelmsford Essex
(searched for born in Fordham)
living with
MORGAN WILLIAM 1880 31
MORGAN DOROTHY 1905 6
MORGAN ALFRED 1907 4
>> MORGAN OLIVE 1910 1

Hi Janey,

Have just done the search and wow that has to be some of the children, as I said previously I am told there are 16 children so assume some records are not yet transcribed or just hiding. My GGrandmother would have been born approx 1909 if age at death is anywhere near correct.
I can only assume there has been a name change, adoption or an extra marriage somewhere along the line, the plot thickens! Thanks for opening many more doors!

Working on another theory. ;)


Marriages Jun 1903
Morgan William Maldon 4a 1091
Pudney Margaret Matilda Maldon 4a 1091


If you search at FreeBMD for Morgan births with mother Pudney you will find an absolute scad of them in Rochford after 1911.


Only problem is, no Margaret Matilda Pudney was ever born ...


This one would fill the bill, though.

Births Jun 1883
PUDNEY Margaret Lexden 4a 478

Being this one in 1901:

Name: Margaret Pudney
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Sister
Where born: Fordham, Essex, England

Civil parish: St Lawrence Newland
Town: St Lawrence Newland
County/Island: Essex
Registration district: Maldon

George Pudney 33
Susannah Pudney 61
Ernest Pudney 19
Margaret Pudney 17

Hi Janey,

Thanks for that, I suppose there is the possibility that she married was widowed so married a 'Morgan' under her married name. Do you think that could have happened?

Good Evening Gwyn,

I hadn't thought of getting Margarets death cert. for her husbands details. She was a widow at time of death. I was 4 at the time of her death and clearly remember the newspaper article/photo. She lived in Rayleigh at the time but I live in Worcestershire now so i'm not local any more otherwise i'm sure the local libraries would have archived newpapers. I could try contacting the local paper though, they may be able to locate the article. I did try finding it on the internet a few years ago but I couldn't locate it then.

Thank you very much for the ideas. It's all a great help.

Margaret Matilda births June quarter 1883

Births Jun
ABBEY Margaret Matilda Knaresbro' 9a 102
Fisher Margaret Matilda Sheppey 2a 873
Townsley Margaret Matilda Tynemouth 10b 231

Unfortunately, none of them seems to have married a Morgan.

If you bought the death certificate for Margaret, - who you are sure is a relative, it should state her husband's name, with her as 'wife of' or 'widow of'.....

Maybe there was an article in the paper for her birthday?

Perhaps the registration....?
Name: Margaret Matilda Morgan
Birth Date: 5 Apr 1883
Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Southend On Sea
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 9
Page: 2444

Gwyn

Hello Mary,
Unfortunately I do not yet know who Margaret was married to. Again Margaret Morgan her married name is very common, although my family all lived/died in Rochford/Southend Essex including Margaret, Morgan is a very Welsh name so I am not sure if she married a Welshman or whether she was born there herself and moved East. Questions that need answering at a later date! Once I can find Doris' birth it should tell me where she was born and then I can have an educated guess at where her parents married. Thanks for looking for me.