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jansmith - that's brilliant!

Just Ellen to find now.

It does look as though Ellen and Richard separated then.

I had tried all spellings of Lovett/Lovell and Lov*

Thanks again!!!

Birdi

1901??husband
Name: Richard Loratt
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, London, England
Civil parish: Fleet
Ecclesiastical parish: Fleet All Saints
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

I had another look at the image and I think you're right Choccy.

It seems that someone assumed that the family belonged to the Griffin's. It does say 'Head' in the relation column for Samuel.

I agree, Florence does seem to be the bride.

Richard Lovett probably married Florence Warr -


Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
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Lovett Richard F Warr Portsmouth 2b 958



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Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
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Lovett Florence R Warr Portsmouth 2b 989

On looking at the 1891 census again, I think Samuel Higgins and his sister Ellen Lovett are living next door to the Griffins and are actually not related at all.

Reply before last - Richard Lovatt

his birth? whose birth? the Richard that married Ellen Harriet Higgins and died 1904?

Cant see mention of more than one Richard

* Confused* got it - its a son of Ricard Snr & Ellen Nee Higgins

Thanks Quinsgran

Yes that is Richard's birth.

I looked for him with no success in 1901 and 1911.

Birdi

Is this Richards birth
Richard Thomas F Lovett 1887 mar qt Hartley Wintney gro ref 2c 173

marriage
Richard T F Lovett 1911 mar qt Portsmouth gro ref 2b 964. Possible spouse Kate M Jago or Florence A Warr

I have found Philip and Ann Higgins in 1901 in Fleet Hampshire.

A clue on the page; at the top is a widow Ellen Higgins aged 65 with step son Harry aged 38.

Not sure yet how they fit in but I will save this page and look round the neighbourhood later on.

Thanks for your help, everyone.

I must move about; I'm frozen hear!

Birdi

Thanks again Choccy.

Yes, that does look like one of the sons.

I will have a look for Richard. I can't find him in 1901 either!

Thanks Choccy!

Philip and Ann are not Samuel and Ellen's parents. I will have to work out who they are.

If this is George's birth -


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: George William Lovett
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Hartley Wintney
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 165



looks like he died before the 1901 census -


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: George William Lovett
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 6
District: Farnham
County: Hampshire, Surrey, Sussex
Volume: 2a
Page: 67

posting 1891 census for reference -


1891 England Census
Name: Ellen Griffin
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Philip
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Crondall
Ecclesiastical parish: Fleet All Saints
Town: Fleet
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Sub-registration district: Odiham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Philip Griffin 50
Ann Griffin 56 (presumably second marriage)
Sidney Griffin 21
Charlotte Griffin 15
Samuel Griffin 20 son - (Higgins on original)
Ellen Griffin 26 -daughter - (Lovell on original)
Richard Griffin 4 (Lovell on original) - born Fleet
George Griffin 1 (Lovell on original) - born Fleet




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 953; Folio 158; Page 10; GSU roll: 6096063.

Sorry Minnie! Just to clarify things. She married for the second time in Northampton to Walter Ellis.

Walter was in the army barracks in Hampshire in 1901, single.

I think he met Ellen there at some point and they came to Walter's home town to marry.

I have both Ellen and Walter Ellis in 1911. He is staying in Northampton with his parents, she is home in Aldershot with daughter Evelyn.

I have finally found the 1891 image of Ellen. She is living in Fleet Hampshire with her brother Samuel and sons Richard 4 and George 1.

I'll print a copy off so I don't lose it again.

what do you know about mr Ellis? can they be spotted on 1911 which might give clues to 1901

got to go ,will bookmark page for later

Yes, that is her second marriage to Walter Ellis.

Hi Minnie

I don't know the names of the children from the first marriage; they will be on the image I've misplaced - sorry!

this marriage then
Name: Ellen Harriet (Harriett) Lovett
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Northampton (1837-1923)