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Hi,

Yes I did know he had a brother, he however along with Ellen disappears after after they are found in the Lilly household. I searched birth and his name is actually edmund but cannot find where he and ellen go.

I think that is me on ancestry and I have his nme in wrong, I gave up using it as it wasn't all that clear!

Also who is whos father? sorry Im a little lost! William H's father I don't know my grandfather who was very old at the time said he was called William but so are all the others!

Thanks everyone for their input, I'm quite astounded at how helpful people are.

Here is the date of Richard and Catherine's wedding.

RICHARD LILLY Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: KATHERINE CURTIS Family
Marriage: 09 DEC 1861 Merther, Cornwall, England


Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

Mary Ann Lilly Pedigree
Female

Christening: 20 JAN 1862 Truro, Cornwall, England

Parents:
Father: Richard Lilly Family
Mother: Catherine

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

I025443

Josephine someone on Ancestry has Edward F Chard in their tree with 28 members of family. Is that you. It is a private tree so you would have to send a message to the person if it's not you.

Did you know before today that William had a brother Edward??

Have to feed the hungry hoard now. BBL. Mel

So who is his father on his marriage cert??

Oh wow, thanks Colin, wasn't expecting that! Where has the deaths of people in America?

Thank you again am quite surprised!

So do I! Have to wait a week a see!

He married Martha Iles and they went on and had 7 children:

William E (1908-1989)
Leonard C (1910-1982)
Iris (1913-?)
Douglas (1918-1942 died in the war) married Patricia Marriott
Cecil A (1922-1983) twin of Dennis (1922-2002)
And then possibly Dorothy JG (1926-?)

On that 1891 census there is also a George Lilly living in the same street his children are at the top of the page and he is on the previous page with wife Elizabeth. He could be Richard's brother.

I hope it is right!!!!!!! and I have'nt cost you £7 !!

Josephine who did William H marry and when? As there is a marriage of William Harry in 1908.

I have just ordered it in the hope it may give some details on ellen and her (possible) husband. Heres hoping its useful!

Have you got William's birth cert?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about William Harry Chard
Name: William Harry Chard
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Barton Regis
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 167

I really don't have a clue when it comes to Ellen, I have posted a separate thread relating to my grandfather (just so you know) and she has got me very puzzled as I can find very little on her!

I hadn't thought about her lying...!

I wonder if Ellen was married??? or just said she was a widow?

Marriage

Name: Richard Lilly
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Truro
County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 280



Katherine Curtis 1861 Truro Cornwall

Richard Lilly 1861 Truro Cornwall

Yep, I subscribed to ancestry, it seems more accurate?!

Still no Eli though, hmm!

Found it now?

Oh super, fmp had no record of them in 1891!!!

Also thankyou for the find on Catherine, I wondered where she had gone!