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i have checked the coes through the census and on the 1871
there is a joseph (son) who is 15 in 1861 he is 6.
i also found this
Name: Joseph Coe
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1855
Christening Date: 15 Apr 1855
Christening Place: Cherry Hinton, Cambridgeshire, England
Father's Name: Joseph Coe
Mother's Name: Susan

i think this is the one, what do you think?

Ah but


could Joseph have told little piggies?


and told Elizabeth that he was called Josiah?




just another wild theory




sylvia

Looks like this confirms Joseph senior was definetly Joseph not Josiah...

JOSEPH COE Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 FEB 1826 Cherry Hinton, Cambridge, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: MATHEW COE Family
Mother: MARY BARRON

Admittedly its a submitted entry,but probably enough clarification that he wasn`t Josiah..



Nicky

Can`t find any sort of maintenance order.......been giving a bit of thought to maybe josiah`s father being Edith Mauds father as suggested earlier by Paul

I`ve traced Joseph and wife Susan {josiahs parents} back in every census till 1851, and found what I think is their marriage in 1848 hoping i may find evidence that Joseph was also a Josiah, but no such luck.

Paul states that Edith Maud never knew her mother....were the Dearsleys so ashamed of their daughter giving birth out of wedlock that they took the baby from her and cut themselves off from her?

Paul could you please put up every detail from Edith mauds birth cert please?...I`m especially intrested in who was the informant..............


Joseph seemed to be a Pub landlord/Gardner up until 1881 when he was a Railway Labourer and his son. an Ag. Lab ....could they have been working in the area where Elizabeth was a Servant?



Nicky

that will be good if there is a maint. order

You maybe right Paul, with any luck Nicky may turn a maintenance order up and it may tell you more?


Keeping my fingers crossed.


Dee x

i did think that syer was a strange name. your explaination sounds good to me
unless it was the father joseph, because edith always lived with her grandfather and never knew her mum, so something very strange happened around that time. rumour was that her father was a traveller
great work people i really feel we are on the right tracks with this, thank for your effort
if of course you come up with anything else please post anybody wants to add then pls do
thanks very much once again

as a footnote, elizabeth was 25 when she had edith in 1884, josiah was 20 whereas joseph was 55? suspect a bit of adultery

Good idea Dee...Maintenance order................quickly off to Cambridgeshire records to have a look.....


Nicky

Hi Nicky,


I can't understand why they never married either, maybe the Coe side wanted him to marry Anne, but then surely Elizabeths father would have had a say there???


Very strange...... that's why I wondered if there might be a maintenance order against Josiah?


Dee x

Hi Dee and Maureen........Pretty sure your on the right track with Josiah/Joseph Syer, which is why I put up the marriage to Anne in 1885.

If you put just Joseph Syer in to freebmd with no surname you only get about 6 results....with none of the surnames remotely like Coe.........so think its just been written wrong for the birth cert. Wonder why they said they were married? if as it seems ,they wern`t, the fact Josiah married a year later, and Elizabeth not long after proves neither of them was widowed, and divorce very unlikely.....

Nicky

Thanks Maureen.

I suppose Paul will never know for sure, but at least now he was a possible theory?

I wonder if the father paid a maintenance for Edith? Seems strange that he would be named on the birth cert and yet plays no sign of her upbringing?


Dee x

Can't speak for Nicky,but I think it's a VERY good possibility,Dee.

Maureen

Nicky,

what do you think of my theory with Josiah? Joseph Syer is soooo close to Josiah don't you think??


Dee x

so this is the marriage for Josiah Coe and Anne....only a year after Edith Mauds birth..



Marriages Dec 1885 (>99%)
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Coe Josiah Linton 3b 1085
Dockerill Charles Linton 3b 1085
FARRINGTON Anne Linton 3b 1085
Gunnin Ellen Linton 3b 1085

Wonder wether the mariage cert. mentiones "previous marriage"??..........got a feeling he and Elizabeth may not have been married....


Nicky

Here he is 10 years later;

1891 England Census
about Josiah Coe
Name: Josiah Coe
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Cherry Hinton, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Sawston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Sawston
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: RAILWAY LABOURER!!!!

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Linton
Sub-registration district: Duxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Josiah Coe 28
Ann Coe 25
Matilda Coe 5
Lizzie Coe 3


Dee x

Paul,

on that 1881 census for Coe there is a son Josiah.......... I wonder if that's her father??? If you say Josiah slower it sounds like... Jo.. Syer???


Dee x

Hi Paul,

Elizabeth in 1881 was in Chesterton, so I'm just popping this here until I've digged deeper;

1881 England Census
about Joseph Coe
Name: Joseph Coe
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Cherryhinton, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Cherryhinton
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address: High Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Railway Lab.

Registration district: Chesterton
Sub-registration district: Fulbourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Coe 55
Susan Coe 54
Isaac Coe 22
Josiah Coe 20
Jane Coe 12


Dee x

joseph was a railway labourer, but no address

Hi Paul,

did Ediths birth certificate have an occupation on it for Joseph? Does it also give an address at the time of her birth?

Dee x

i am so sorry for not having laid it out better, hope the following helps

ok edith maud is my mother in laws grandmother. i was looking for her under the name of dearsley, however it turns out from the copy of her birth certificate that the mother was Elizabeth coe formally dearsley. after her birth there is no record of edith maud coe only edith maud dearsley.
joseph syer coe is the father mention on the birth cert.
i can find no record of marriage for coe and dearsley
Elizabeth did go on to marry arthur william webb