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Now James says he was born somewhere else!!!!!

1881 England Census
about James Waller
Name: James Waller
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: West Thurrock, Essex, England

Civil parish: Newington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 51 Cambridge St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Cab Driver

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Waller 57
Jane Waller 52
Charles Waller 20
Annie Waller 18
Margaret Thomas 16

Must go now. Will look in in the morning.
Mel

Gosh this one is dreadful writing but James is still a Carman and living next door to William Waller and wife Lucy.

Edit 22.57

It's not William Waller but William Wallis!!!!!!! so forget that one!!

Yes Living at Neals Street 6 Bronti Place Camberwell.

James down as Railway Servant (formerly Carman)

Jane down as Marine Store Dealer.

James b 1824 Stepney, Middlesex
Jane b 1830 Stepney, Middlesex
Jane b 1856 Bermondsey, Surrey
Charles 11 months b 1860 Camberwell, Surrey

1871 England Census
about James Waller
Name: James Waller
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household schedule number: 278
Household Members: Name Age
James Waller 47
Jane Waller 42
Charles Waller 10
Annie Waller 8
Louise Jerris 29

RG10; Piece: 620; Folio: 27; Page: 50

Woo! I'm pretty sure that's the 1861 census that relates to this family.
I found the 1871 & 1881 and from the looks of it James was born 1824 and Jane was born 1829, so that matches up.

Does it by any chance have down where they were born and any occupations..?

1861 England Census
about Charles Waller
Name: Charles Waller
Age: 11 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 167
Household Members: Name Age
James Waller 37
Jane Waller 31
Jane Waller 5
Charles Waller 11 Mo

I believe this is James and & Janes son Charles.. this is what I got when I searched him on ancestry, I can't view it though ;'[

1861 England Census
1860s

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Name: Charles Waller
Mother: Jane
Father: James
Birth: abt 1860 - city, Surrey, England
Residence: 1861 - city, Surrey, England

I had a good look about on Ancestry......... couldn't see them in 1861 though.


Dee x

Thanks for those, I'm looking them up so I can save them to my computor.
Still can't find the 1861 on findmypast.. I'm sure I saw it on ancestry though!

Struggling to find the 1861 census too....... tis may help though;

1851 England Census
about James Waller
Name: James Waller
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Sushannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: St George Hanover Square
Ecclesiastical parish: Belgrave
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Belgrave
ED, institution, or vessel: 23w
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 165
Household Members: Name Age
William Waller 54
Sushannah Waller 50
Mary Am Waller 20
James Waller 17
William Waller 16
Charles Waller 14
Edwin Waller 11
Sarah Waller 8


William and james are Bricklayers!!!



Dee x

1851 England Census
about Jane Richard
Name: Jane Richard
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 102
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Bishop 34
Sarah Bishop 28
Jane Bishop 9
Richard Bishop 6
Mary Richard 22
Rebecca Richard 20
Jane Richard 17
Susannah Richard 7 Mo


Dee x

1841 England Census
about Jane Richard
Name: Jane Richard
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Richard 44 >>>>>>>>> CORDWAINER!!!
Jane Richard 40 >>>>>> shoe binder
Gus Richard 16
Mary Richard 13
Rebecca Richard 10
Jane Richard 8
Frances Richard 5
Jonas Richard 1


Dee x

That's a interesting find for The rickards, i'll have a look into that!
I'm looking for Jane & James on the census', i'm using find my past as I have a free trial.. I can't seem to find the 1861 census..

Mary Ann Rickards marriage detials;

Francis Rickard; shoe maker

Address for both Bath Street

Witnesses; James Delivett and Sarah Satter???


Dee x

Just found this as possible for the 2 sisters in a 'school':
1841 England Census
Jane Rickard
Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1832 Gender: Female Civil parish: Croydon Hundred: Wallington (First Division) County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
Mary Rickard 11
Jane Rickard 9
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1078; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Croydon; County: Surrey; Enumeration District: Aubins Norwood School of Industry; Folio: 53; Page: 19; Line: 21; GSU roll: 474665.

James Waller was a bricklayer, Francis Rickard was a shoe maker.

EDIT>>>>>>>>>>> Francis was a Cordwainer!!! William Waller, bricklayer


Address for James Waller marriage, both at Bohemia Place


Witnesses, difficult to make out but I think Charles & Caroline Bunce??


Dee x

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about William Waller Waller
Name: William Waller Waller
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 20 Feb 1859
Father's Name: James Waller
Mother's Name: Jane Waller
Parish: St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth
County: Middlesex




maybe a brother?


Dee x

Yay!
Thanks for all your help. I should be able to find the correct census records now

Do either of them marriage records have down any information about addresses or their fathers occupations or any witnesses?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Waller
Name: James Waller
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Spouse Name: Jane Rickard
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 May 1855
Parish: St John at Hackney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Waller
Spouse Father Name: Francis Rickard





See x

How about:
Marriages Dec 1860
Delivett John William Shoreditch 1c 288
Rickard Mary Ann Shoreditch 1c 288
and
Marriages Jun 1855
RICKARD Jane Hackney 1b 357
WALLER James Hackney 1b 357?