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Dee x

Not surprised to see more information. Thanks a lot - now I've got a start to see if Emily had children.

Really cannot express how grateful I am for all the help I get on Trying to Find Board.

Jeanie

And here's some children;

1881 England Census
about Emily M. Street
Name: Emily M. Street
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: London Islington, London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Timperley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: Deansgate Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Altrincham
Sub-registration district: Altrincham
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Street 28
Emily M. Street 26
Emily R. Street 6
Willm. Street 5
Ellen Street 4
George E. Street 1


Dee x

Original image states Henry J Ponsford as her father (deceased)

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Emily Ponsford
Name: Emily Ponsford
Spouse Name: Henry Street
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Apr 1872
Parish: St John, Hampstead
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: James J Ponsford >>> Clerk???!!!
Spouse Father Name: William Street



Witnesses; Alice Kate Ponsford and Edward Matthew Street



Dee x

My - you're good. What would we do without you. Tried several variations on Ponsford but obviously didn't try the one you found.

Probably before I've finished typing this something else will be there for me to read.

Regards

Edit: Since found death in Devon:-

Deaths Sep 1862
Ponsford Henry St Thomas

The other Henry Ponsford who lived in Poplar died in Poplar.

So Henry isn't with them in 1871!!

1871 England Census
about Alice Ponsord
Name: Alice Ponsord
[Alice Braico]
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: St James, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Camden Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 516
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Braico 45 Unmarried and the image states Briaris
Ellen Ponsord 19 >> Niece
Alice Ponsord 17 >> Niece
Ralph Forester 26
>> Lodger




Dee x

Thanks Dee.

Nice to see your name again. My sticking point is the 1871 census. Just cannot find out what happened to them between 1861 and 1881.

I'm hoping to find Emily got married and had children and also a record for the death of Henry. Think this is on previous page - only found one death and think that is for death of Henry Thomas not Henry James P.

So we know this is the correct family due to the Briaris;

1861 England Census
about Emily Ponsford
Name: Emily Ponsford
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: St Jas, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Camden Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 234
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Ponsford 42 >>. ??? Draper
Mary Buaris 38 Sis in law
Emily Ponsford 9
Alice Ponsford 7


Dee x

Found Henry & Elizabeth on 1851:
18 Broad Street, Golden Square, Westminster St. James, Middlesex
Henry Ponsford 30 Draper born Okehampton, Devon
Elizabeth Ponsford 26 Cloakmaker born Middlesex, St. Giles

Still haven't found Henry James Ponsford and his daughters on 1871 census. Neither can I find a marriage or a death for Emily. Still no luck finding death of Henry James Ponsford in an area or of an age that ties in. Will someone please look at Parish death records to see if they can come up with one?

Better luck with Alice K subsequent to 1881 census:

1891 census 40 Grove Road, Eastbourne, St. Saviour, Sussex
Alice K PONSFORD Head 35 about 1856 St. James (no occupation shown)
Mary A BRIARIS Aunt 75 about 1816 St. Giles
plus 4 female visitors births in Surrey and London (Guest House?)

1901 census Rosehill Terrace, Brighton St. Bartholomew, West Brighton Sussex
Alice K PONSFORD Head 47 about 1854 Bloomsbury Retired shopkeeper - stationers. (On her own - Mary A died 1900).

Deaths Jun 1932
Ponsford Alice K 76 Brighton

So no offspring there! Family line stops unless you clever folk come up with something. Have no details of Emily except from census and bmd:

Births Dec 1851
Ponsford Emily St James

2 Henry Ponsfords both born 1819 in Devon? How inconsiderate of them. Think I'll have to have another search of 1871 census. to see if I can find Emily and Alice elsewhere.

I'm afraid I'll have to get back to this family another time. Dogs to walk and evening meal to prepare.

Thanks to you all. Hope to see you picking this up again if I come up with anything useful.

Bye

Here's Henry the shoemaker/bootmaker:
1861 census
3 Walmer Terr., Westham, Plaistow, Essex
Henry Ponsford, head, 40, bootmaker, born Devonshire
Eliza, wife, 39, born Berkshire
Henry, son, 12, born Surrey, Fulham
Ellen, dau, 6, born Middlesex, Kensington
Frank, son, 4, born Islington
Eliza, dau, 2, born "

I believe there are 2 Henry's here. Henry the draper and Henry the shoemaker.
The 3 children baptised 16 Feb. 1866 belonged to Henry the shoemaker and Eliza of 4 Mill Place. They were Frank, Eliza and Arthur. The only one with a birthdate given was Arthur born 20 Feb. 1863.

Now I'm getting confused! Where did Henry Thomas Ponsford come from - and how come Arthur is being baptised in 1866 when his mother died 1854. Think I'll have to write it down, study it, and leave this thread until I've got my head sorted. Might take me some time, lol.

Thanks for all your efforts.

Jean

AND a burial. My word I do not think anyone has found one of those for me before - well done

Elizabeth's burial?

Name: Elizabeth Ponsford
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 20 Sep 1854
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Just out of interest I'll say I didn't know of Mary Ann Briaris' existence until I did a general search on Briaris deaths and rather a surprise to find one in Brighton! Then found following 1881 census and knew Elizabeth had married a Ponsford. Went on from there! We do have a bit of luck occasionally thank goodness.

Deaths Mar 1900
Briaris Mary Ann 84 Brighton

Kate A. PONSFORD Head U Female 27 St James, Middlesex, England Sales Woman
Mary A. BRIARS Aunt U Female 64 St Giles, Middlesex, England

Alice Kate obviously preferred her second name.

Elizabeths burial;

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
about Elizabeth Ponsford
Name: Elizabeth Ponsford
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 20 Sep 1854
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex




Dee x

Thanks due again to Margaret and BatMansDaughter again. Details of the marriage as well. Wonderful

Jean

Thanks BatMansDaughter for what you've found. That's the 1861 sorted for me. A great help. That's a really interesting transcription of the surname Briaris! I hadn't seen that one before. (My mother's maiden name). No wonder we have such problems tracking people down.

Marriage?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Elizabeth Briaris
Name: Elizabeth Briaris
Spouse Name: Henry James Ponsford >>> Occupation; Draper
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Sep 1848
Parish: St George, Bloomsbury
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: William Briaris
Spouse Father Name: John Ponsford