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I would appreciate any help with the following.
I have my grandfathers birth certificate (16/7/1894) and it states that he was born in union infirmary fulham to a rose benham who was a general servant (domestic) at W---hold (?) Farm Hammersmith. No father named on the certificate. I would like any information on how to access records associated with the infirmary (and workhouse). I have tried to find both rose and william in the 1901 census, no luck so far. Mind you I have no idea were they were living at that time. William did tell his son that at one stage they were living at the Bulldog Hotel at Sheppards Bush, this could have been between 1900 to 1910. William gained employment as a cabin boy, he went to Australia, arrived in 1911, jumped ship in Sydney. When william enlisted with the Australian Imperial Forces in 1914, his next of kin was his mother Rose, she was then Rose Lewis of 90 cathnor road shepards bush, london. I have no idea of when her name changed from Benham to Lewis, nor her husbands christian name. According to his son, William talked about his mother, but not much about his father, he did say to his son that his father was William David Benham, I am not sure if that information is correct.

Thanks for any help. DMR from Oz

1901 Census??

Name: William H Benham
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Relation: Son
Father's Name: He??
Mother's Name: Rosina
Gender: Male
Where born: Alresford, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: New Alresford
Ecclesiastical parish: New Alresford St John the Baptist
Town: New Alresford
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Alresford
Sub-registration district: Alresford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Household Members: Name Age
He?? 30
Rosina Benham 26 b. Belleme, Hampshire, England
William H Benham 4
Nelly R Benham 1
Harold W Benham 5 months

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1097; Folio: 28; Page: 16.


On the original the name above Rosina's has been scored out. Her entry has been changed from "Wife" to "Head". She is listed as married.

1911 Census

HOUSEHOLD BENHAM HENRY M 1870 41 Alresford Hampshire
HOUSEHOLD BENHAM NELLIE ROSINA F 1900 11 Alresford Hampshire
HOUSEHOLD BENHAM ROSINA F 1874 37 Alresford Hampshire
HOUSEHOLD BENHAM WILLIAM HENRY M 1897 14 Alresford Hampshire
HOUSEHOLD BENHAM HAROLD WALTER M 1901 10 Alresford Hampshire


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Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
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Benham Henry Alresford 2c 341
Pink Rosina Alresford 2c 341

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
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Benham Rosanna Lewis Fulham 1a 967
Lewis Thomas F Benham Fulham 1a 967




I wonder if this is the wrong age on this death???

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Benham Henry 82 Alresford 2c 212

same family in 1911 census


BENHAM, HENRY HEAD MARRIED M 41 LABOURER GENERAL HAMPSHIRE ALRESFORD

BENHAM, ROSINA WIFE MARRIED for 13 years F 37 SOUTHAMPTON BITTERNE

BENHAM, WILLIAM HENRY SON M 14 SCHOOL ERRAND BOY HAMPSHIRE ALRESFORD

BENHAM, NELLIE ROSINA DAUGHTER F 11 SCHOOL HAMPSHIRE ALRESFORD

BENHAM, HAROLD WALTER SON M 10 SCHOOL HAMPSHIRE ALRESFORD



Address
MILL HILL ALRESFORD County Hampshire
District Alresford Subdistrict Alresford
Enumeration District 1 Parish Alresford

Rose is Lewis in 1914 according to Dianne,so is she the same one marrying Thomas F Lewis in 1915?

Maryb

Thanks Jacky - I was only using the free search facility so couldn't get the details.

Mind you, I am wondering if we have the correct family as the William in that family has Henry as a middle name not Herbert and the birth is a wee bit out!! Seems a bit of a co-incidence though the mother's name?


EDIT


What a co-incidence - both Williams were registered in the same year and quarter!


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1894 (>99%)
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Benham William Henry S. Stoneham 2c 55
Benham William Herbert Fulham 1a 263

William Herbert Benham lived in Australia from 1911. He did go back to England during 1919, but this was at Manchester, he returned to Australia in the same year. He also married while in Manchester to a ethel makin (25/1/1919). I have ordered their marriage certificate.
From what William told his son, he did mention having 4 brothers, sorry no names. Mind you another time he told his son that he had 4 uncles. I have to admit I do not have a lot of reliable information. My uncle said that pop was a big cagy about his past.
DMR form Oz

hi rootgatherer
i tend to agree with you about it been the correct family it maybe just a coincidence that both william,s had mother,s called rose/rosina/rosanna maybe the marrige cert that has been sent for may give more clue.s with the witnesses to the marrige but not holding out much hope for dianne as the marriage was in manchester & looks like his family were in london from what dianne has said so the witnesses maybe frinds of ethel.s or her family unless some of his family travelled up from london for the wedding
so looking forward to what infomation the cert holds

jacky

since I started this thread, I have made some breakthroughs re the Benham/Lewis family.
The lewis family lived at 90 Cathnor Road, Shepherds bush for a few years. Rose and Thomas got married in 1915, but had been living as man and wife since 1899. I think I have found Rose and Thomas death notices. Thomas death 1919, Rose 1967.
They had a number of children
Alice Mary Lewis c1899 - born Acton
Thomas Alfred Lewis c1904 - Shepherds bush
Lilian Rose Lewis c1909 - Shepherds bush
Edith H Lewis c1913 - Fulham District
Ruth E Lewis c1914 - Fulham District
found the family in the 1901 & 1911 census
I have checked BDM, I have not found any D&M that relate to the children. I have ordered Ruth's birth certificate.
No sign of William Herbert Benham in the 1901 or 1911 census. He was not with rose, thomas and family. I have checked different sites re crews on sailing ships to Australia, that arrived in Sydney, but left from southhampton from 1908 to 1911. Pop said he arrived in 1911.

Any help with records/information on any of the Lewis family members or William Herbert Benham would greatly be appreciated.


Thanks

Di

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1899 (>99%)
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BENHAM Alice Mary Brentford 3a 59


Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
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LEWIS Thomas Alfred Fulham 1a 166


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
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Lewis Lilian Rose Fulham 1a 172


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Lewis Edith H Benham Fulham 1a 376


Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Lewis Ruth E Benham Fulham 1a 357



So looking at those births it appears that Rosina hadn't been married before she married Mr. Lewis?

Hi

No Rosanna (Rose) had not. She and Thomas were living together and did not get married until 1915. Even in his WWI records he states that he is single. However he put his Next of Kin as Rosetta (?) Lewis - friend of 90 cathnor road, shepherds bush
She had William Herbert Benham in 1894 @ fulham Infirmary.

If Thomas died in 1919 ,as I think he did. I wonder what happened to the children?
Di

1911

HOUSEHOLD LEWIS LILIAN ROSE F 1909 2 Brentford Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD LEWIS ALICE MARY F 1899 12 Brentford Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD LEWIS ROSANAH F 1876 35 Brentford Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD LEWIS THOMAS ALFRED M 1905 6 Brentford Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD LEWIS THOMAS FREDRICK M 1874 37 Brentford Middlesex



1881 Census

Has the following corrections added

Name
Rosanna Benham rather than Rosina Benham
Correction due to an error in transcription.
Submitted by rosewatt222 on 08/04/2010
Estimated birth year1876 rather than abt 1870
Submitted by rosewatt222 on 08/04/2010


Name: Rosina Benham
[Rosanna Benham]
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
[1876]
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Female
Where born: Bedfont, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: East Bedfont
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: Green Man Lane
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Staines
Sub-registration district: Staines
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Benham 35 Farm Labourer
Maria Benham 37
John Benham 13
Rosina Benham 11
William Benham 9
Alfred Benham 1
George Benham
John Benham 40

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1328; Folio: 38; Page: 25; GSU roll: 1341323.


Not sure if this one is relevant?? Can't see a death for the Edward in the above census!

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
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BENHAM Mary Brentford 3a 210
CATERER George Augustus Brentford 3a 210


Name: Rose Benham
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Acton, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Chiswick
Ecclesiastical parish: Gunnersbury St James
Town: Chiswick
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Chiswick
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Caterer 54
Mary Caterer 39
Rose Benham 13
James Caterer 5
Emily Caterer 2

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1034; Folio 161; Page 28; GSU roll: 6096144.


1901 - No William!!

Name: Alice Lewis
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Rose
Gender: Female
Where born: Acton, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Innocents
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: South Hammersmith (including Starch Green)
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 189
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Lewis 26 Butcher's Carman
Rose Lewis 24
Alice Lewis 1

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 48; Folio: 77; Page: 28.



Just to show that he is not with the Caterer family.


1901

Name: Mary Caterer
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Berkleham, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Acton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Acton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Acton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 158
Household Members: Name Age
George Caterer 67
Mary Caterer 47
Alice Benham 19
George Caterer 10
Ernest Caterer 9

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1202; Folio: 19; Page: 29.

Mary Benham is her mother. Mary had rosanna in 1878 @ acton. Mary did marry George Augustus Caterer, they had 3 children. Mary also had another daughter Alice in 1882 (before she married George), both out of wedlock, however Mary did indicate on Mary's birth registration that Mary's father was William Mungo Benham, the same name was used for Alice's, but it was crossed out in 1883. I have not been able to find a marriage for William Mungo and Mary. I do not think she married a William Mungo, especially considering she was born Mary Benham.

Di

Hi rootgatherer

Thanks for all your work on the lewis family and trying to find William Herbert Benham. As he was born in England I am sure he was there for awhile. I am starting to think he might have been unofficially adopted out to some other family or family member and there is the possibility we can not find him due to a transcription error. I am not sure I will even find out about his time in England. Maybe I should concentrate on finding out what ship he came to Australia on.

Di

What about this ?


1901 -


AYRES, Alfred Head Of F Married M 31 1870 Cattle Man On Farm
Ivinghoe
Buckinghamshire VIEW
AYRES, Ann Wife Married F 29 1872
Freesden
Hertfordshire VIEW
AYRES, Reginald D Son Single M 7 1894
Pitstone
Buckinghamshire VIEW
BENHAM, William H Adopted Son Single M 6 1895
Acton
Middlesex London VIEW *************

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1510 Folio:
6 Page:
3

Registration District:
Leighton Buzzard Sub District:
Ivinghoe Enumeration District:
1 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary the Virgin Ivinghoe

Civil Parish:
Ivinghoe (Bucks) Municipal Borough:
Address:
Vicarage Street, Ivinghoe (Bucks), Ivinghoe County:
Bedfordshire

same family in 1911, except Alfred has re-married -


AYRES, Alfred Head Married M 42 1869 Farm Labourer Bucks Ivington VIEW
AYRES, Ruth Wife F 43 1868 Edlerborough Bucks VIEW
AYRES, Reginald Son Single M 17 1894 Farm Labourer Pitstone Buck VIEW
COOK, Percy Stepson M 7 1904 School Edlesborough Bucks VIEW
COOK, Stanley G Son M 2 1909 Home Farm Cottages Berkhamsted Herts VIEW (Ayres on original)

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7769 Reference:
RG14PN7769 RG78PN385 RD142 SD1 ED3 SN112

Registration District:
Berkhampstead Sub District:
Berkhampstead Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Northchurch

Address:
Haresfoot Farm Cottages Berkhamsted County:
Hertfordshire



Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
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AYRES Alfred Berkhampstead 3a 1685
COOK Ruth Berkhampstead 3a 1685

Hi Choccy
omg, you have found him. Wow, this opens another avenue for my reseach on William Herbert Benham.

Thank you

Perhaps these are the brothers he was referring to, not actually blood brothers.

Hi Choccy
I have just check death details (Ancestry) for Ann Ayres and she died in 1908. Also checked out the son - Reginald
The sons name is Reginald David.

When pop died in 1972, there was a writeup as he was a WWI vet and it had that his name was William Herbert Reginald David Benham. Pop had told people over the years that was his name. It was not until after pop died that the family obtained his birth certificate and it only had the name William Herbert Benham.

I'd say that pop lived with the Ayres until Ann died or he could have left a bit later. He always said he arrived in Sydney on a sailing boat. Worked as a cabin boy.

Thanks

Di