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D - Dianne's last post was over 2 years ago so I doubt she's looking back on here.

I found a listing for Caterer
Rosanna ( Rose) Lewis (born Benham) B-1878 D-1944
She was apparently married 2s
first to a Lewis then to a Caterer.
That's all I know
GC

She also called her 1st born girl Alice Mary Benham (Lewis) after her sister Alice and mother Mary.
I also checked Ancestry - 1901 census re William Herbert Benham, no luck, but when I tried Alfred Ayres it shows on the preview page, Alfred, Ann, Reginald and William H Benden, when you look at the writting it looks like Benham.
I will have to reseach the Ayres family as well.

Thanks to you both

Di

Superb Choccy! Great detective work!

Now isn't interesting that Rose named her next son Thomas Alfred and had a daughter named Ruth! Looks like she kept in touch with the Ayres family.

My next job is to let his son know and the rest of the family.
Email time!!!

DI

You're very welcome.


(Not sure which way ships travelled, but he possibly left England for New York and on to Australia).

Hi Choccy

What can I say, you are a gem.
I have looked at a number of sites re crew lists, but I could not find him. I have to admit I am new to this addiction, so I will state the skills are not the best.

Interesting that it has port of departure New York. Pop told the family that he left from southhampton. I wonder if there was another trip - England to America and then onto the camphill to Australia.
I must admit that we have established that pop did a fair amount of embelishment about his life.
Once again thanks

Di

and here he is !


New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: W Benham
Estimated birth year: abt 1895 (born Acton)
Age: 16
Port of Departure: New York Via Melbourne
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 18 Sep 1911
Vessel Name: Camphill



Source Information:

Ancestry.com. New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2007.


He is a member of the crew.

Hi Choccy
I have just check death details (Ancestry) for Ann Ayres and she died in 1908. Also checked out the son - Reginald
The sons name is Reginald David.

When pop died in 1972, there was a writeup as he was a WWI vet and it had that his name was William Herbert Reginald David Benham. Pop had told people over the years that was his name. It was not until after pop died that the family obtained his birth certificate and it only had the name William Herbert Benham.

I'd say that pop lived with the Ayres until Ann died or he could have left a bit later. He always said he arrived in Sydney on a sailing boat. Worked as a cabin boy.

Thanks

Di

Perhaps these are the brothers he was referring to, not actually blood brothers.

Hi Choccy
omg, you have found him. Wow, this opens another avenue for my reseach on William Herbert Benham.

Thank you

same family in 1911, except Alfred has re-married -


AYRES, Alfred Head Married M 42 1869 Farm Labourer Bucks Ivington VIEW
AYRES, Ruth Wife F 43 1868 Edlerborough Bucks VIEW
AYRES, Reginald Son Single M 17 1894 Farm Labourer Pitstone Buck VIEW
COOK, Percy Stepson M 7 1904 School Edlesborough Bucks VIEW
COOK, Stanley G Son M 2 1909 Home Farm Cottages Berkhamsted Herts VIEW (Ayres on original)

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7769 Reference:
RG14PN7769 RG78PN385 RD142 SD1 ED3 SN112

Registration District:
Berkhampstead Sub District:
Berkhampstead Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Northchurch

Address:
Haresfoot Farm Cottages Berkhamsted County:
Hertfordshire



Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
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AYRES Alfred Berkhampstead 3a 1685
COOK Ruth Berkhampstead 3a 1685

What about this ?


1901 -


AYRES, Alfred Head Of F Married M 31 1870 Cattle Man On Farm
Ivinghoe
Buckinghamshire VIEW
AYRES, Ann Wife Married F 29 1872
Freesden
Hertfordshire VIEW
AYRES, Reginald D Son Single M 7 1894
Pitstone
Buckinghamshire VIEW
BENHAM, William H Adopted Son Single M 6 1895
Acton
Middlesex London VIEW *************

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1510 Folio:
6 Page:
3

Registration District:
Leighton Buzzard Sub District:
Ivinghoe Enumeration District:
1 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary the Virgin Ivinghoe

Civil Parish:
Ivinghoe (Bucks) Municipal Borough:
Address:
Vicarage Street, Ivinghoe (Bucks), Ivinghoe County:
Bedfordshire

Hi rootgatherer

Thanks for all your work on the lewis family and trying to find William Herbert Benham. As he was born in England I am sure he was there for awhile. I am starting to think he might have been unofficially adopted out to some other family or family member and there is the possibility we can not find him due to a transcription error. I am not sure I will even find out about his time in England. Maybe I should concentrate on finding out what ship he came to Australia on.

Di

Mary Benham is her mother. Mary had rosanna in 1878 @ acton. Mary did marry George Augustus Caterer, they had 3 children. Mary also had another daughter Alice in 1882 (before she married George), both out of wedlock, however Mary did indicate on Mary's birth registration that Mary's father was William Mungo Benham, the same name was used for Alice's, but it was crossed out in 1883. I have not been able to find a marriage for William Mungo and Mary. I do not think she married a William Mungo, especially considering she was born Mary Benham.

Di

1911

HOUSEHOLD LEWIS LILIAN ROSE F 1909 2 Brentford Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD LEWIS ALICE MARY F 1899 12 Brentford Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD LEWIS ROSANAH F 1876 35 Brentford Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD LEWIS THOMAS ALFRED M 1905 6 Brentford Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD LEWIS THOMAS FREDRICK M 1874 37 Brentford Middlesex



1881 Census

Has the following corrections added

Name
Rosanna Benham rather than Rosina Benham
Correction due to an error in transcription.
Submitted by rosewatt222 on 08/04/2010
Estimated birth year1876 rather than abt 1870
Submitted by rosewatt222 on 08/04/2010


Name: Rosina Benham
[Rosanna Benham]
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
[1876]
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Female
Where born: Bedfont, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: East Bedfont
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: Green Man Lane
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Staines
Sub-registration district: Staines
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Benham 35 Farm Labourer
Maria Benham 37
John Benham 13
Rosina Benham 11
William Benham 9
Alfred Benham 1
George Benham
John Benham 40

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1328; Folio: 38; Page: 25; GSU roll: 1341323.


Not sure if this one is relevant?? Can't see a death for the Edward in the above census!

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
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BENHAM Mary Brentford 3a 210
CATERER George Augustus Brentford 3a 210


Name: Rose Benham
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Acton, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Chiswick
Ecclesiastical parish: Gunnersbury St James
Town: Chiswick
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Chiswick
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Caterer 54
Mary Caterer 39
Rose Benham 13
James Caterer 5
Emily Caterer 2

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1034; Folio 161; Page 28; GSU roll: 6096144.


1901 - No William!!

Name: Alice Lewis
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Rose
Gender: Female
Where born: Acton, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Innocents
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: South Hammersmith (including Starch Green)
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 189
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Lewis 26 Butcher's Carman
Rose Lewis 24
Alice Lewis 1

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 48; Folio: 77; Page: 28.



Just to show that he is not with the Caterer family.


1901

Name: Mary Caterer
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Berkleham, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Acton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Acton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Acton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 158
Household Members: Name Age
George Caterer 67
Mary Caterer 47
Alice Benham 19
George Caterer 10
Ernest Caterer 9

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1202; Folio: 19; Page: 29.

Hi

No Rosanna (Rose) had not. She and Thomas were living together and did not get married until 1915. Even in his WWI records he states that he is single. However he put his Next of Kin as Rosetta (?) Lewis - friend of 90 cathnor road, shepherds bush
She had William Herbert Benham in 1894 @ fulham Infirmary.

If Thomas died in 1919 ,as I think he did. I wonder what happened to the children?
Di

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1899 (>99%)
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BENHAM Alice Mary Brentford 3a 59


Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
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LEWIS Thomas Alfred Fulham 1a 166


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
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Lewis Lilian Rose Fulham 1a 172


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Lewis Edith H Benham Fulham 1a 376


Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Lewis Ruth E Benham Fulham 1a 357



So looking at those births it appears that Rosina hadn't been married before she married Mr. Lewis?

since I started this thread, I have made some breakthroughs re the Benham/Lewis family.
The lewis family lived at 90 Cathnor Road, Shepherds bush for a few years. Rose and Thomas got married in 1915, but had been living as man and wife since 1899. I think I have found Rose and Thomas death notices. Thomas death 1919, Rose 1967.
They had a number of children
Alice Mary Lewis c1899 - born Acton
Thomas Alfred Lewis c1904 - Shepherds bush
Lilian Rose Lewis c1909 - Shepherds bush
Edith H Lewis c1913 - Fulham District
Ruth E Lewis c1914 - Fulham District
found the family in the 1901 & 1911 census
I have checked BDM, I have not found any D&M that relate to the children. I have ordered Ruth's birth certificate.
No sign of William Herbert Benham in the 1901 or 1911 census. He was not with rose, thomas and family. I have checked different sites re crews on sailing ships to Australia, that arrived in Sydney, but left from southhampton from 1908 to 1911. Pop said he arrived in 1911.

Any help with records/information on any of the Lewis family members or William Herbert Benham would greatly be appreciated.


Thanks

Di

hi rootgatherer
i tend to agree with you about it been the correct family it maybe just a coincidence that both william,s had mother,s called rose/rosina/rosanna maybe the marrige cert that has been sent for may give more clue.s with the witnesses to the marrige but not holding out much hope for dianne as the marriage was in manchester & looks like his family were in london from what dianne has said so the witnesses maybe frinds of ethel.s or her family unless some of his family travelled up from london for the wedding
so looking forward to what infomation the cert holds

jacky