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Florence Rachel sailed to Australia 3 July 1920 and returned 9 Oct 1923 so that counts her out.

As Felecie doesn't seem to exist, just thought what her name could be. It could be that she was a niece of Florence or James Henry.

There is a J H Foulger died 1917 on the cwgc site but no details. He may be Florence's husband but couldn't find any military records for him, only his son.

Ref previous enquiry. Still struggling with finding my Grandmother. At the date of her marriage the people living at 42 Rushton Street according to the electoral role were -James Foulger-,Gertrude Hughes-William Hughes
-Florence Joyce-Richard Joyce. I am assuming that Florence Joyce is The daughter Florence Foulger and has married a Richard Joyce and James' wife Florence seems to not be living there but her death cert is dated 1933 so don't know what has happened there. There is no record of my Grandmother at the address but as she was 21 she would not have been old enough to vote. I have no idea who Gertrude and William Hughes are. Does anyone have them on their family tree? Thanks to everyone who as helped so far.

Births Dec 1925 (>99%)
Tees Felicia M Foulger Holborn 1b 876

maybe she has her mother's name

have you got any on Tees children birth cert to get mother's name?

there are several trees on ancestry with the Foulger family also one with Ernest Tees married to Felicia Foulger

Felecia Marie Tees was my aunt. All my dad's birth cert shows is his father's name and his mother's name and maiden name of Foulger but nothing else. The closest I got with middle names was Beatrice Grace Foulger who is a daughter of James and Florence and once of my Aunts's second name was Grace but that's a bit tenuous and still didn't get any further. I'll check for a Marie Foulger born around 1900 tho, it might show something. Been through the trees on genes and not getting far! The one with Ernest and Felicie married is mine! thanks for your help

Isn't it Grace Beatrice and not Beatrice grace born to James Henry and Florence in Oct 1899.
There was a Grace B Foulger married 1921 to Vicari but maybe not the same Grace.
I couldn't find a death for Grace B Vicari.

Her date of birth deffinately matches Felicie,and you say Felecie first child was Grace.
Maybe it was just Grace Beatrice liked the name Felecie better than her own.

Maryb

Sorry my fault, it is Beatrice Grace - I'm getting name blindness. Beatrice Grace married Vicari and went to Australia not returning til after 1925 by which time my grandparents had married. She would have been two years older than Felicie. Thanks for all your help so far, let me know if you think of any other avenue to persue.
Sals

Right thats her out,but if Felecie died 1961 age 61 how can Grace be two years in difference?

Can't find a Florence marrying a Richard Joyce.
If Florence Rachel was abroad then it can't be her.

Just been viewing original 1911 census,it says married 16 years 8 children born 1 died 7 remaining children with themon census ,so why would they lie if they had another i.e Felecie.

I have also looked at military records for James Henry,there is an address 42 Rushton Road New York Road London,the one where you grandparents were was 42,Rushton St Hoxton are they one in the same?
Maryb

1911 in 42,Rushton Street were a Mr Walter turner born 1885,there were also two other families lodging there with a total of 11 peolpe at that address.
I wonder if it was a lodging house then and also in 1922?

Maryb,

I agree if they already had 7 children why lie about an extra one, it makes no sense, that's why I think she must be either a niece or something that they fostered/adopted/took in or something and she took the surname Foulger. The other thing that makes no sense is on all the cenrecords(christening records, census etc) James Henry is shown as a laborour but on the marriage cert grandmother says her father is a master draper. The address is definately the address of James Henry the soldier. His enlistment papers show 42 Hoxton Street and his parents and next of kin as James Henry and Florence Foulger. Beatrice Grace was christened Oct 1899. Grandma Felicie died in May 1961 and her age is given as 61 this would mean she was born in Feb 1900 not 1901, that would leave no time for her to be born after Beatrice Grace, if that is really her date of birth but there is still no birth cert that ties in in any way. You may be right about 42 Rushton Street being a boarding house, I've contacted the archivist at shoreditch and asked if they can check. I don't think I'm going to get an answer on this, looks like it's destined to remain a mystery! Thanks for all the looking you've been doing tho,
Sals

Just to recap.
James Henry Foulger 1901 was son of James and Florence nee Hodson.

James senior doesn't appear anywhere as James HENRY Foulger,I deffinately think you have to find the other James Henry Foulger a Master Draper who died prior to Felecie's marriage.

Easier said than done,I have trawled thruogh many and only found one James Foulger drapers assistant in 1901 but he was James J and was on 1911 census woth another occupation.


Maryb

Victorian London A-Z Street Index

Hoxton Street, Islington N1 [1997]
Hoxton Street, Shoreditch [1888]

New York Street, St Jude, BETHNAL GREEN [1862]

New North Place, Moorgate / Fenchurch EC2A [1997]
New North Place, St James, SHOREDITCH [1862]
New North Place, St Michael, SHOREDITCH [1862]
New North Road, Christ Church, SHOREDITCH [1862]
New North Road, Holloway Chapel, ISLINGTON [1862]
New North Road, Islington N1 [1997]
New North Road, Islington [1888]
New North Road, St Bartholomew, ISLINGTON [1862]
New North Road, St John the Baptist, SHOREDITCH [1862]
New North Road, St Mary, ISLINGTON [1862]
New North Road, St Matthew, ISLINGTON [1862]
New North Road, St Philip the Evangelist, ISLINGTON [1862]
New North Road, St Stephen, ISLINGTON [1862]
New North Street, Clerkenwell / Bloomsbury / St Pancras WC1N [1997]
New North Street, St George the Martyr, HOLBORN [1862]
New North Street, St James, SHOREDITCH [1862]


Rushton Street, Islington N1 [1997]
Rushton Street, St Saviour, SHOREDITCH [1862]


The year shown thus [1881] indicates the year of the original reference, thus:

* [1749] Ted Wildy's Transcript of the Westminster Poll Book 1749
* [1851] 2% Census Sample Middlesex
* [1862] A Genealogical Gazetteer of Mid-Victorian London by Cliff Webb
* [1871] PRO Census Street Index 1871
* [1881] PRO Census Street Index 1881
* [1899] Charles Booth's Survey of London 1899
* [1997] Royal Mail Postcode CD-ROM
* [b.xxxx] Birth Certificate
* [c.xxxx] Census Return
* [d.xxxx] Death Certificate
* [m.xxxx] Marriage Certificate

FOULGER, James Head Married
16 years M 42 1869 General Labourer London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, Florence Wife Married F 36 1875 London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, Florence Rachel Daughter Single F 15 1896 London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, Grace Beatrice Daughter F 11 1900 School London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, James Henry Son M 9 1902 School London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, Daisy Agnes Daughter F 6 1905 School London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, Caroline Margaret Daughter F 4 1907 London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, Helen Daughter F 2 1909 London Bermondsey ****note this HELEN not Ellen
FOULGER, Lily Elizabeth Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 London Bermondsey VIEW
FOOMEY, John Visitor M 41 1870 Waterside Labore London Bermondsey VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1866 Reference:
RG14PN1866 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED1 SN152

Registration District:
St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub District:
Bermondsey Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Bermondsey

Address:
12 Crosby Row Bermondsey County:
London

in the original the occupation of james has been crossed out says
general labourer (difficult to read ..) of Ham....construction . .steele construction engineer

Florence Rachel Foulger Baptism 5 Apr 1896 James Foulger,
Florence Foulger St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark
17 Kipling Street
occupation warehouseman

Jestina Foulger Baptism 31 Oct 1897 James Foulger,
Florence Foulger St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark
17 Kipling Street
General dealer

Grace Beatrice Foulger Baptism 15 Oct 1899 James Foulger,
Florence Foulger St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark
36 Sedling Street
labourer

[Daisy Agnes Foulger Foulger] Baptism 8 Feb 1905 James Foulger,
Florence Foulger St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark

6 Kipling Street
Labourer

1901
FOULGER, James Head Married M 32 1869
Southwark General Labourer
London VIEW
FOULGER, Florence Wife Married F 25 1876
Southwark
London VIEW
FOULGER, Florence R Daughter F 5 1896
Bermondsey
London VIEW
FOULGER, Grace B Daughter F 1 1900
Bermondsey
London VIEW
LONG, Caroline Boarder Widow F 65 1836 Office Cleaner
Lambeth
London VIEW
RG number:
RG13 Piece:
388 Folio:
118 Page:
11

Registration District:
St Olave Southwark Sub District:
Bermondsey Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Pauls

Civil Parish:
Bermondsey Municipal Borough:
Address:
11, Kipling Street, Bermondsey County:
London

James Foulger
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 27 Jul 1874
Father's Name: Thomas Foulger
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Foulger
Parish: St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

born 1 jan 1869
Cardinal Cap Alley
father's occupation Labouer

also baptised same day
sister Alice born 2 july 1867

1881
T. Foulger
[Thomas Foulger]
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Belings, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Southwark St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Williams Pl
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Waterside Labour

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Saviour Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
T. Foulger 43
Mary Ann Foulger 45 nee Shimmen (according to a tree on ancestry)
Richard Foulger 19 grocer
Alice Foulger 14
James Foulger 12
Louisa Foulger 9
Harriet Foulger 4

James Henry Foulger
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Age at Enlistment: 18
Residence: 42 Rushton St, Hoxton
Document Year: 1918
Regimental Number: 103407
Regiment Name: Middlx
Number of Images: 17
42 Rushton Street New North Road Hoxton

occupation draper
parents James Henry and Florence
1940 living at 28 Mornington Crescent

James Foulger 15 Kipling Street warehouseman
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Spouse Name: Florence Hodson 17 Kipling St
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Jun 1895
Parish: St Paul, Bermondsey
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Thomas Foulger labourer
Spouse Father Name: Henry Thomas Hodson bird catcher

witnesses Thomas Foulger and Margaret Manns

Florence R Foulger

dept England 1920 to Brisbane Australia - music mistress

returned to England 1923 address Gordon Villa Markham Road Bournemouth
governess

NB

Births Sep 1894 (>99%)
Foulger Florence Ruby Poplar 1c 572

Miss F R FOULGER
Date of departure: 3 July 1920
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Brisbane, Australia
Passenger destination: Brisbane, Australia
Date of Birth: 1895 (calculated from age)
Age: 25
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Music Misstress
Passenger recorded on: Page 25 of 30

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Florence R Foulger
Birth Date: abt 1895
Age: 28
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1923
Port of Arrival: London, England
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