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Thanks Gillian, possible that the son followed the father into the trade so definately worth following up. Thanks

The marriage you found in Poplar was on 6/5/1838 not 1836
The groom James Foulger was a Carman by occupation and the "minor" means that he was under 21 at the time. The father was definitely a draper but would have to have been born around 1795 and much too old for Felicie's birth

As suggested by Victoria I've contacted the Drapers Company to see if they have a James Henry Foulger listed and am waiting to hear back. Also I've found a marriage cert for a James Foulger and Isabella Resetta Bailie. James father is named as James and I think his occupation says draper. Its dated 6th May 1836. James jnr is shown as a miner on his marriage cert. Given that it would mean he was around 60 at the time of Felecie's birth but I guess that's not so impossible. The marriage took place at Poplar All Saints. If anyone has the time could you look to see if I'm transcribing the father's occupation correctly.
On the subject of the "Rogers" posting, I do hope that something like that won't put people off searching for information for others Novices like me would be completely lost with out your help and even tho I've not found Felecie at least I know I'm covering routes I'd never have though about thanks to suggestions from you guys. I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates the time and effort you put into answering questions from idiots like me. Again thanks a lot for helping me and if anyone does come up with anything new pls let me know.

Victoria, sorry it is 100% RUSHTON STREET in Hoxton. My mistake. I'm not convinced of anything on this marriage cert, least of all James Henry's occupation but contacting the Drapers Company is a great idea. Thanks for the link
Sals

HI

you are still confusing me with Hoxton Street and Rushton Street

you said HOXTON St is the address given on the marriage cert, but when you wrote out what was written for Felecia you said RUSTON St.

From the list of Streets I posted before , Hoxton and Rushton Streets are 2 separate Streets.

If you are convinced that the occupation of James Henry Foulger is Master Draper then it maybe worth contacting the Drapers Company and see if they have any record of him
http://www.thedrapers.co.uk/ContactUs/1_Introduction.html

Victoria, I also thought cloth dumper was a rag man but according to the archive office it was also a term used in clothing factories for someone who used some sort of wooden paddle for stretching cloth! I agree your more likely to be right and it would explain his excuses for losing his papers. 42 Hoxton Street comes from the address given as residence at time of marriage for both Felecie and my Grandfather. Again the archivist explained that often couples used one address as it was cheaper even if they were living at different addresses.
The marriage cert reads as follows
31/1/1922 Felecie Foulger 21 yrs Spinster, Telephonist, 42 Rushton Street, Father James Henry Foulger (deceased) Master Draper.
Having said that Grandfather's father is shown as a Ladies Outfiter and he is always shown as a warehouse man!
You could be right about James Henry jnr standing in for her father - I'll send off for his marriage cert and see what it says about him.
Also agree with 42 Rushton St being shared house. I know one thing, the deeper I dig the more confused I get! Thanks S

I've found a Thomas and James Foulger on the City and Counties Directory on Ancestry. They are shown as running a Tailors at 12 High Street, Marylebone in 1846 I can find Thomas on Census through to 1901 but can't find James - Any suggestions anyone?

Having has another look at James Henry's military record and am wondering if we are misreading his occupation.

It actually looks more like Cloth Dumper. (ie rag man), this would tie in with his excuse as to how he lost his discharge papers!

can you have another look at it and also the marriage certificate of Felecia to see what if that has been misinterpreted as well.

I am also wondering if James Henry jnr stood in for Felecia's father at the wedding and his details have been incorrectly entered on the marriage certificate.

James Henry apparently married Ann Lye in 1920 so it maybe worth getting his marriage certificate.

I can find no connection with the other people living at 42 Rushton Street, New North Street, Hoxton in the 1922 electoral roll. If you look at the 1911 census for that house you will find 3 separate families. I believe this house is split into 3 residences.

In regards to the 1922 electoral roll, are there any more details on James, eg age, occupation??

Can you also remind where the reference to 42 HOXTON street comes from?

thanks Maryb. I'll go digging!

Hi Sally,James J Foulger born 1872 Southrepps Norfolk
1901 in huntingdonshire St neots d3 6wife Kate Suffolk 1873
Dorothy 3 months.

He wasn't a draper in 1911 though.

Maryb

Thanks Victoria. I have been in contact with the tree owner (Peter) about this. He has a whole Foulger website but no Felecie anywhere and none of the James Henrys ever show draper as their occupation. Strange James Henry (jnr) shows his occupation as Draper after he left the army. I knew most of the other info and am trying to see if any of the Foulger sisters give me any clues.
Maryb - on James Henry's enlistment papers he shows his next of kin as James HENRY and Florence Foulger of 42 Hoxton Street. Although I agree this is the only time James snr is refered to as James Henry in any record. Achivist at Shoreditch library tends to agree that 42 Hoxton Street may have been house of multiple occupancy but the records can't confirm this Can you tell me where you found James J Foulger listed as Draper, it has to be worth looking into. I have been contacted by someone who is the Grandaughterdaughter of one of Grandfather Ernest's sister. She has two aunts that remember my Grandfather and she's going to ask if they remember anything at all about Felecie. One other thing. I know that you can't view census after 1911 on line but does anyone know if they are available to the public at the records office. Thanks again for all of you helping. I'll get there in the end!
Sals

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/13926747/person/276094176

check out this tree, the owner maybe able to help

Florence R Foulger

dept England 1920 to Brisbane Australia - music mistress

returned to England 1923 address Gordon Villa Markham Road Bournemouth
governess

NB

Births Sep 1894 (>99%)
Foulger Florence Ruby Poplar 1c 572

Miss F R FOULGER
Date of departure: 3 July 1920
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Brisbane, Australia
Passenger destination: Brisbane, Australia
Date of Birth: 1895 (calculated from age)
Age: 25
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Music Misstress
Passenger recorded on: Page 25 of 30

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Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
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Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:

ORVIETO
129628
W S Shelford
Orient
Australia
14515
7421
951

Florence R Foulger
Birth Date: abt 1895
Age: 28
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1923
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Port Said, Colombo, Naples, Toulon, Gibraltar, Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide, Fremantle, Plymouth
Ship Name: Orvieto
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Shipping Line: Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 129628

James Foulger 15 Kipling Street warehouseman
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Spouse Name: Florence Hodson 17 Kipling St
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Jun 1895
Parish: St Paul, Bermondsey
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Thomas Foulger labourer
Spouse Father Name: Henry Thomas Hodson bird catcher

witnesses Thomas Foulger and Margaret Manns

James Henry Foulger
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Age at Enlistment: 18
Residence: 42 Rushton St, Hoxton
Document Year: 1918
Regimental Number: 103407
Regiment Name: Middlx
Number of Images: 17
42 Rushton Street New North Road Hoxton

occupation draper
parents James Henry and Florence
1940 living at 28 Mornington Crescent

1881
T. Foulger
[Thomas Foulger]
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Belings, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Southwark St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Williams Pl
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Waterside Labour

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Saviour Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
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Household Members:
Name Age
T. Foulger 43
Mary Ann Foulger 45 nee Shimmen (according to a tree on ancestry)
Richard Foulger 19 grocer
Alice Foulger 14
James Foulger 12
Louisa Foulger 9
Harriet Foulger 4

James Foulger
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 27 Jul 1874
Father's Name: Thomas Foulger
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Foulger
Parish: St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

born 1 jan 1869
Cardinal Cap Alley
father's occupation Labouer

also baptised same day
sister Alice born 2 july 1867

1901
FOULGER, James Head Married M 32 1869
Southwark General Labourer
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FOULGER, Florence Wife Married F 25 1876
Southwark
London VIEW
FOULGER, Florence R Daughter F 5 1896
Bermondsey
London VIEW
FOULGER, Grace B Daughter F 1 1900
Bermondsey
London VIEW
LONG, Caroline Boarder Widow F 65 1836 Office Cleaner
Lambeth
London VIEW
RG number:
RG13 Piece:
388 Folio:
118 Page:
11

Registration District:
St Olave Southwark Sub District:
Bermondsey Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Pauls

Civil Parish:
Bermondsey Municipal Borough:
Address:
11, Kipling Street, Bermondsey County:
London

Florence Rachel Foulger Baptism 5 Apr 1896 James Foulger,
Florence Foulger St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark
17 Kipling Street
occupation warehouseman

Jestina Foulger Baptism 31 Oct 1897 James Foulger,
Florence Foulger St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark
17 Kipling Street
General dealer

Grace Beatrice Foulger Baptism 15 Oct 1899 James Foulger,
Florence Foulger St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark
36 Sedling Street
labourer

[Daisy Agnes Foulger Foulger] Baptism 8 Feb 1905 James Foulger,
Florence Foulger St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark

6 Kipling Street
Labourer

FOULGER, James Head Married
16 years M 42 1869 General Labourer London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, Florence Wife Married F 36 1875 London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, Florence Rachel Daughter Single F 15 1896 London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, Grace Beatrice Daughter F 11 1900 School London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, James Henry Son M 9 1902 School London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, Daisy Agnes Daughter F 6 1905 School London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, Caroline Margaret Daughter F 4 1907 London Bermondsey VIEW
FOULGER, Helen Daughter F 2 1909 London Bermondsey ****note this HELEN not Ellen
FOULGER, Lily Elizabeth Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 London Bermondsey VIEW
FOOMEY, John Visitor M 41 1870 Waterside Labore London Bermondsey VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1866 Reference:
RG14PN1866 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED1 SN152

Registration District:
St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub District:
Bermondsey Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Bermondsey

Address:
12 Crosby Row Bermondsey County:
London

in the original the occupation of james has been crossed out says
general labourer (difficult to read ..) of Ham....construction . .steele construction engineer