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Sue
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11 Apr 2010 02:25 |
I have found an overseas army birth record of Maria T. Stangroom (my gt gt grandmother) born 1850 in Mauritius, also listed is her brother Henry Stangroom born Mauritius 1848 - trying to find their parents to continue my research.
Says 5th regiment on the army birth record listings - thats all I have.
Maria (Mary) T. came to England later (when?) and was married 1870 in Plymouth to John Gay.
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Vicci
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11 Apr 2010 02:39 |
have you order the birth certificates and marriage certificates?
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Vicci
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11 Apr 2010 02:58 |
regiment could be
"Bolton's Mauritius Almanac, and Official Directory", by W. Draper Bolton, 1851, says the 5th Regiment of Foot (Northumberland Fusiliers), the 12th (East Suffolk) Regiment of Foot, the Royal Artillery and the Royal Sappers and Miners were there in 1851. "
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Sue
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11 Apr 2010 03:38 |
I have ordered Maria T. and John Gays marr. cert.
Can order a birth cert through the same channels even though it was a military birth?
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Vicci
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11 Apr 2010 03:46 |
yes you should be able to get through GRO
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Sue
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12 Apr 2010 03:08 |
Victoria - I went to order birth cert. for:
Maria T. Stangroom, b.1850 Mauritius
The only information on the Army birth record listing is theabove (name/year/country)
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5th Regiment Vol 923 Page 8
So because it doesn't have the QTR etc I can't order it through the GRO? Any suggestions?
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Vicci
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12 Apr 2010 22:00 |
hi you order from gro online
you need to select OVERSEAS births
For overseas events which were registered with the British authorities 7. Birth Certificate (Overseas events)
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Sue
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13 Apr 2010 03:04 |
Thanks will try that.
Sue
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23 Aug 2010 06:37 |
Maria Theresa Stangroom b/c born 1st January 1850 in Port St Louis, Mauritius, baptized 11th January, 1850.
Her parents listed on the b/c were William and Maria Stangroom.
Father: 5th Regiment of the Fusiliers/Private
Marriage certificate for Maria T. Stangroom (to John Gay) 14th May 1870 in Plymouth. Father William Stangroom listed as deceased. Mother listed as a Mary Hannah Stangroom.
So now I need HELP!!
I have everything from Maria Theresa Stangroom (b.1850) onward, birth, marriage, children etc.
But cannot find anything about her parents either a Maria Hannah or Mary Hannah and William Stangroom.
As both of Mary (Maria) Hannah and Williams children were born on the island of Mauritius (Mary Theresa 1950 and Henry 1848) I entertained the idea that William (who was stationed there) met Mary (Maria) Hannah on the island. Interestingly there are several Maria Hannahs born on Mauritius and listed in the slave reports...
I'm at a loss and want to find out where they came from and what happened to them...
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Sue
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Ozibird
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23 Aug 2010 07:19 |
5th of Foot, The Northumberland Fusiliers set sail for Mauritius in 1847 and arrived in 1848. Is it possible he was married before sailing as Henry came along in 1848?
In 1857 the Fusiliers went on to India and were involved in the relief of Lucknow.
Ozi
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23 Aug 2010 07:21 |
Sue did you actually get the birth cert which should give her mother's maiden name?
Ozi
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Sue
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23 Aug 2010 17:14 |
Maria T. Stangrooms b/c does not list the maiden name of her mother - its blank where it says surname.
Obviously Maria went back to England because she got married in 1870 in Plymouth and her mother was a witness on the marriage certificate (is says father deceased).
I cannot find anything on Henry, William or Mary (Maria) Hannah.
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23 Aug 2010 23:37 |
So you haven't found her mother on 1871 census or her death?
Or living anywhere near Plymouth, obviously.
Ozi
More: Have you found Maria's second marriage, and her death?
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JaneyCanuck
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24 Aug 2010 00:08 |
There's a William Stangroom marriage in 1840, with a Maria in the list of brides:
Marriages Dec 1840 BOWES Philip Clerkenwell 3 37 COLE Caroline Clerkenwell 3 37 FRANKHAM Selina Clerkenwell 3 37 HOLLAND Frederick Clerkenwell 3 37 JONES William Hunt Clerkenwell 3 37 Philpot Mary Clerkenwell 3 37 Stangroom William Clerkenwell 3 37 TUCKER Maria Clerkenwell 3 37
I don't spot him in 1841, but who knows how that surname might have been mistranscribed.
In 1841 there's a Maria aged abt 30 (or more, with rounding) in St John Hackney with two children, Charlotte 10 and Mark 9; she is of independent means and was born in Foreign Parts, the children born in England but not in county. ?
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Ozibird
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24 Aug 2010 00:20 |
I don't think the 1841 family is Sue's, Janey.
Name: Marc Larivis... Stangroom Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 16 Jun 1834 Baptism/Christening Place: St. Mary, Bocking, Essex, England Father's Name: John Stangroom Mother's Name: Marie
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03389-1 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1702147 Reference Number: 163 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Mark L Stangroom Residence: New Whatcom city, Whatcom, Washington Birth Date: May 1832 Birthplace: England Relationship to Head-of-Household: Father-in-law Father Birthplace: England Mother Birthplace: England Race or Color (expanded): White Head-of-household Name: Daun D Egan Gender: Male Marital Status: Widowed Years Married: Immigration Year: 1860
Enumeration District: 0245 Sheet Number and Letter: 28A Household ID: 488 Reference Number: 27 GSU Film Number: 1241753 Image Number: 00516 Collection: United States Census, 1900
Name: Maria Charlotte Stangroom Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 16 Jun 1834 Baptism/Christening Place: St. Mary, Bocking, Essex, England Father's Name: John Stangroom Mother's Name: Maria
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03389-1 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1702147 Reference Number: 162 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
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JaneyCanuck
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24 Aug 2010 00:35 |
1881 - not good?
Name: Maria Stangroom Age: 55 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England Civil parish: Cannington County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address: Belverdere House Condition as to marriage: Widower
Susan L. Jeffery 76 Fanny Ching 41 Jane Roberts 31 Maria Stangroom 55
Seems to fit the facts!
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JaneyCanuck
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24 Aug 2010 00:36 |
Ah, so that's where those 1841 Stangrooms went -- the US. No wonder I couldn't find further trace of them. ;)
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24 Aug 2010 00:56 |
In 1881, Maria Jr is Mary:
Name: Mary T. Gay Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Where born: British Subject, Mauritius Civil parish: Paddington
I wonder about this one in 1861:
Name: Mary Stangroom Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Scholar Where born: Indiana Civil parish: Chelsea St Luke County/Island: Middlesex
Address is St Ann's Home, which seems to be alongside St Wilfred's Convent (the superintendent of the home is a religious).
Obviously it doesn't say Indiana, it says India. A disproportionate number of the girls are born in Ireland, which would be consistent with being family of British soldiers.
If you were to add a correction, for both Maria and India (convenient shorthand for Mauritius, I think -- or -- India was where she had been sent home to school from, per Ozi's info about where the regiment was), anyone else searching would find her, and find you.
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Ozibird
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24 Aug 2010 01:59 |
Also adding alternate information to this would help as per Janey's suggestion.
1891 England Census Name: Thersesa Scott Age: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: George Gender: Female Where born: Mauritius Civil parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 12 Harcourt St
Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: St Mary Household Members: Name Age George Scott 34 - Police Constable; Scotland Thersesa Scott 41 John Gay 14 - step-son; Plymouth Pheobe Gay 12 - step-daughter; Plymouth Agnes Scott 3 - daughter; Marylebone
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Sue
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24 Aug 2010 04:11 |
Wow. Okay, it'll take me a while to wrap my head around all that.
I do know all about Maria T. Stangroom, going on to marry George Scott and using the name Teresa....Most everything that there is to know, I already have.
Its just the parents.
I'll sift through all this - Thanks Sue
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