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Hi Heather

Great to hear from you and welcome to the GR boards.

I will post a private message to you re the McNab connection.

Julie

Hi Julie,
I am new to this site, but am interested in McNabs. I live in Australia. Last year I visited the Fort Hill house and the cemetery where Thomas Dick and his wife are buried, along with their children. I am happy to share info, but not sure what you need. Heather

Hi Cassy
Saw your tree on Ancestry before seeing your post here. Wow! I'd given up hope of finding anyone else researching this McNab family! I couldn't quite believe it when I saw those photos. I couldn't move forward much on Harriet's children until the Liverpool records came on line but you've obviously moved forward a fair bit.

I've gone backwards and sideways so may be able to fill in some gaps for you & hope you can do the same for me.

Joseph McNab, son of Harriet, had 5 children with Amelia Cross. They say they are married on the 1911 census but I have never found a marriage for them. Nor can I find a marriage for Harriet McNab and Thomas Young Kay.

I am presuming that Joseph was born to Harriet junior because of the circumstances and the baptism record but his birth certificate suggests it was Harriet senior because she gives her maiden name as Green.

If it was Harriet senior then my husband isn't a McNab descendant at all because Andrew was dead by 1866 as you know!

Great to hear from you. Will pm my e- mail address.

Julie

Julie, if you're still around, please get in touch. My husband is a descendent of Andrew McNab and his daughter Harriet. A year after you did all this research I've spent the last 2 days doing the same. However, I think I have photographs of Andrew, Harriet and her children. I also have a Victorian photograph of Andrew McNab's tombstone. It would be good to connect!

Cassy (Cathryn Taylor)

A week later....................(take time off work and pay for it with a backlog of stuff!)

Thanks Kath for the Naas info and mgnv for the search tips.

What do folks think about my theory of Harriet junior being the mother? This is the baptism:

Baptisms: 6 Mar 1870 All Saints, Preston, Lancashire, England
Joseph Macnab - Child of Harriet Macnab
Abode: Gardener St. Blackburn
Occupation: Dressmaker
Baptised by: Geo. Beardsell
Register: Baptisms 1866 - 1876, Page 33, Entry 257
Source: LDS Film 1544765

In 1871 Harriet juniors occupation is given as Milliner and in 1891 Harriet senior is Confectioner. Other than that they are down as wife or housekeeper or no occupation.

I have no idea if Joseph ever had contact with his real family. In 1881 and 1891 he appears as Joseph Healey, then in 1901 & 1911 with a family of his own he appears as McNab.

Julie

Dear all
I feel really bad cos' your'e doing all this work for me and I already have most info on the Lancashire McNabs plus I am just rushing off for the weekend and won't have access to a PC!

The first Joseph died 1867. The second Joseph is the primary source of my investigation - I have him in every census and I have his birth certificate. Cert says mother Harriet McNab nee Green, father Joseph Mcnab -Police Officer. I suspect this father was fictitious and I suspect Harriet junior was the mother. His baptism is on Lancs opc Mother Harriet McNab - no father mentioned. He was born at the Healey's house and was brought up in the Healey household. He is my OH's gt grandfather and I'm doing this research for my MIL who is in her 80's.

I'm so sorry I'm not going to be posting for a couple of days. Thanks for all your help.

Julie

The only possible Preston birth 1868-1871 is
Births Dec 1869 (>99%)
McNab Joseph Preston 8e 533

The only possible 1871 Joseph b 1869 +/-2 is in Preston and is living with the Healey's

Joseph McNabe abt 1870 pob=Preston, Lancashire, England Boarder

Quite who this Jos is mystifies me

It would appear there were 2 McNabb/Green families as listing shows Joseph b 1869 (Preston) Andrew sr. died 1866....
This Family is giving me sleepless nites...!!!

LancsBMD has the following McNab-Green(e) births in Preston/Blackburn

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1859
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MCNAB Andrew Preston Preston GREENE PRES/108/19

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1860
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MCNAB Euphema Longton Preston GREEN LONG/11/12

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1862
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MCNAB Frederick William Preston Preston GREENE PRES/129/97

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1864
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MCNAB Philip Percival Blackburn Blackburn GREEN B/104/84

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1866
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MCNAB Joseph Blackburn Blackburn GREEN B/116/44

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1869
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MCNAB Joseph Preston Preston GREEN PRES/184/16


Scottish OPRs often record banns, so it's not at all unusual to find apparent double marrs.
To see my ggg grandad's and one of his sons, look up in IGI:

Results for: William Slessor, Scotland, British Isles
Spouse: Christian Slessor

Results for: Robert Slessor, Scotland, British Isles
Spouse: Jane Arthur





Name: Andrew McNab
Registration district: Naas
Record type: MARRIAGES
Registration date - quarter and year: 1850
Estimated birth year:
Age:
Mother's surnames:
Film number: 101242
Volume: 8
Page: 369
Digital GS number: 4195888
Image number: 00713
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958

Note Andrew appears on the same page of marrs.
To obtain m.cert (or the cheaper UNCERTIFIED rego page image), see:
http://www.groireland.ie/


To get Kath's IGI hits, do the following searches:

Results for: Andrew Macnab, Scotland, British Isles
Spouse: Margaret Dick
Exact Spelling: Off

Results for: Scotland, British Isles
Father: Andrew Macnab, Mother: Margaret Dick
Exact Spelling: Off



http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
1841 - the next occupied house is:

Piece: SCT1841/310 Place: Monifieth -Angus Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: Monifieth Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 8 Page: 1
Address: B. Ferry Fort Hill Cottage 2
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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
DICK Thos M 65 Literary Avocation Angus
ANDERSON Ann F 20 Female Servant Angus


Midlothian hasn't been fully transcribed in 1851 - most of Edinburgh and a bit of Duddingston is missing - also all of Angus 1851 on is missing.

Just a bit of info on NAAS, so the marriage above is certainly a possible as is the one previously found under County Kildare 1850.( More than likely the same marriage.)

Naas (English pronunciation: /ˈneɪs/; Irish: Nás na Ríogh, pronounced [nɑːs nə riː], or An Nás [ən nɑːs]) is the county town of County Kildare, Ireland. With a population of just over twenty thousand, it is also the largest town in the county.

Naas is a major commuter town, with many people living in Naas and working in Dublin. Naas is considered the most affluent area in County Kildare with the town consisting of mainly middle and upper class residents with house prices being described as exceptionally high especially during the Celtic Tiger years. The nearby N7 dual carriageway and M7 motorway connect Naas to Dublin and to the south and southwest; it is one of the busiest routes in the country. As part of County Kildare, Naas is within the Greater Dublin Area.

Kath

Maybe this is a possible from Record search pilot.
I don't have a clue how to get the details.

Name: Harriet Green
Registration district: Naas
Record type: MARRIAGES
Registration date - quarter and year: 1850
Estimated birth year:
Age:
Mother's surnames:
Film number: 101242
Volume: 8
Page: 369
Digital GS number: 4195888
Image number: 00630
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958

Kath

Yes - particularly evidenced by a Thomas Dick McNab!
I have her in every census from 1861 to 1901.

EDIT Birthplace given as: Tallamond/Sulamore/Kings County/Ireland. From the images I'm assuming the first two are Tullamore mistranscribed.

Julie

Jooleh....Is this your Harriet 1881

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Harriet MCNAB Head W Female 52 Ireland
Thomas Dick MCNAB Son U Male 32 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Car Driver
Andrew MCNAB Son U Male 32 Preston, Lancashire, England Coachman (Dom)
Percival MCNAB Son U Male 18 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Painter


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Source Information:
Dwelling 40 Northcote St
Census Place Everton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341878
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3665 / 110
Page Number 76

From 1861 to 1901 Harriet senior's age is given as:

29
38
52 (!)
56
67

There is one son who was with her from 1871 to 1901 but she isn't in the same household in 1911 so I think this is her death:


Deaths Dec 1907 (>99%)
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McNAB Harriet 74 W.Derby 8b 352


Looks like she was a similar age to Andrew so possibly also born 1833

Jooleh....Its no a problem...Just helps to have some backround especially if searching for Irish/Scottish connections...
I cannot locate either of them..have tried every permutation of Surname and Christian names and stopped at 700+ for Harriet ...didnt realise it was such a popular Christian name in Ireland...!!
If they are there they will be found sometime or another...!!!

Sorry! As my original request was very specific I didn't see the need to include all the other info to begin with and looking back through the thread I can see there was no hint at all that I'd found him in England. I haven't actually researched much on the Scotland side because I've been following the Lancashire lot around so I don't know about that Marriage for Marjory.

Julie

I think the practice happened quite a lot if they were from different parishes. Someone did post a good explanation on a thread a while back but I can't really remember. I'll have to try and refind it.

Jooleh...Oh in the name o' the Wee Man...
Never realised he was in England from '61...

Did his sister Marj.marry Jimmy Bremner in 1864...?

Hi both
Will try and elucidate – here's what I have (with your help on Andrew's birth date)

Born 12th March 1833

1841 Census aged 7 but should be 8 because the Census was taken on 5th June.

1851 Census -unable to find him.

1861 Census EDIT sorry it's Penwortham (not Pemberton )Lancashire aged 29 with wife Harriet born Ireland, Daughter Harriet, aged 10 born Dublin and various other children all born Lancashire.

Died 25th April 1866 Blackburn Lancashire aged 34 -he was a Superintendent of Police -evidence from 2 obituaries, police records, his will, Free BMD, Lancs opc.

Following daughter Harriet through the Census' she is consistently born 1851 in Dublin.

I thought it reasonable to assume therefore that he was in Ireland in 1851

Through various records including 1 birth cert, Lancs BMD and an obituary I have established that his wife Harriet's maiden name was Green/e. Census' indicate she was born in Tullamore.

(Her brother Robert Green was also a Superintendent of Police in Garstang Lancashire)

Using brsgeneaology free search I have found individual church marriage records for

Harriet Greene Co Kildare 1850

Andrew McNab Co Kildare 1850

Cannot find daughter Harriet's birth under McNab or Green/e.

So if that is them then yes he was very young 16/17 depending what month the marriage was.

His police records and obituary say he was in the 1st Battalion 71st Regiment Highlanders until 1st May 1852 and that he had been with them for 4 years and 77 days so let's say he joined about January 1848 aged 15.

When he joined the Lancashire Police on 19th May 1852 he gave his age as 22 when in reality he would have been 19. He said he was married with one child.

So having got all that info I set about googling his army details and came across a website detailing the movements of the 1st Battalion 71st Regiment of Lord MacLeod's Highlanders.

“During the months of March and April 1850, the various scattered companies of the 71st were removed to Dublin, where the whole battalion was stationed at the Richmond Barracks.

During 1851 and 1852 the regiment remained in Ireland, moving about in detachments from place to place, and performing efficiently a variety of duties, agreeable and disagreeable, in that disturbed country, and sending off now and then small parties to join the reserve battalion in Canada. In August the regiment removed to Kilkenny.”


By which time Andrew had bought himself out and moved to England.

Hope that clears up the confusion!

Thanks for your continued interest.

Julie

Kath...Glad to hear its not only me thats a bit lost now....!!!
Thats what comes of getting off the "straight and narrow"...eg ...the original query...