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ATT LADYKIRA re Henry Smith 1841 Bethnal Green

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LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 15:49

Births Mar 1841 (>99%)
Broomhead Eliza Bethnal Gn. 2 13

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Births Jun 1843 (>99%)
Broomhead Caroline Mary Ann Bethnal Green 2 12

Births Mar 1845 (>99%)
BROOMHEAD William Mack_y Bethnal G*n 2 *[46]
BROOMHEAD William Mackey Bethnal Gn 2 6

Deaths Sep 1846 (>99%)
Broomhead James Bethnal Gn 2 48

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 15:43

1851 census - household transcription
Person: BROOMHEAD, Eliza
Address: 5, Ely Place, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
BROOMHEAD, Jane Head Married M 36 1815 Turner
Bishopsgate
Middlesex VIEW
BROOMHEAD, Eliza Wife Married F 36 1815
Shoreditch
Middlesex VIEW
BROOMHEAD, Edwin Son Unmarried M 13 1838
Bishopsgate
Middlesex VIEW
BROOMHEAD, Elizza Daughter Unmarried F 10 1841
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
BROOMHEAD, Caroline Daughter Unmarried F 7 1844
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
BROOMHEAD, William Son Unmarried M 1 1850
Bethnal Green
Middlesex

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 15:32

Lindsay, sorry I didn't answer your question earlier. Henry Smith is listed as the head in the 1911 census someone found for me. It has my G Grandmother, and her sisters, as well as their married names. Henry Smith, born 1841 is definitely my GGGrandfather.

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 14:56

A little bit worried about the brothers both having a daughter in 1874 called Harriet. But will look into it thanks.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 14:56

1891 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, David
Address: 54, Brooksbys Walk, Hackney
SMITH, David Head Married M 45 1846 Twine Finisher
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 45 1846
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Fredk Son Single M 21 1870 Light Porter
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Jenny Daughter Single F 19 1872 Brush Driller
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter Single F 17 1874 Comb Polisher
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 14 1877
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Harry Son Single M 11 1880 Scholar
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, David Son Single M 7 1884 Scholar
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, John Son Single M 3 1888 Scholar
Homerton
London VIEW
HEBDEN, Charles Boarder Single M 27 1864 Cooks Assistant
London

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 14:54

1901 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, David
Address: 38, Brooksbys Walk, Hackney
SMITH, David Head Married M 55 1846 Twine Finisher
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 56 1845
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter Single F 27 1874 Xylonite Polisher
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Harry Son Single M 21 1880 Twine Warehouseman
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, David Son Single M 16 1885 Labourer Twine Ground
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Jack Son Single M 12 1889
Homerton
London

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 14:53

This is possibly Henry's brother?

1881 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, David
Address: 10, Crozier Terrace, Hackney
SMITH, David Head Married M 35 1846 Twine Spinner
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1846 Twine Spinner Wife
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Ada Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Homerton
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Frederick Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Homerton
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Jane Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Homerton
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Homerton
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Homerton
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 1 1880
Homerton
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Infant Son Single M 0 1881
Homerton
Middlesex

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 14:39

Maureen, 1901 ... Henry Smith, aged 60 confirmed living at 13 The Grove, Homerton. BINGO.

Just sourced 1881 census for Thomas Drew...boy did that family get around.

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 14:36

My apologies, used to reading it as head then wife, especially with the age difference.
Interesting though that William is listed in the 1841 census age 20, then listed in the 1851 census age 29 and a son. Possible it should have read 10 in 1841 and it is 19 in 1851. Also possible Frederick had William with a previous wife, then married Elizabeth after.

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 14 Apr 2010 14:34

Does your Eliza's marriage come up in the London marriages? Just wondering if we can compare signatures for this one:
Name: Alfred James Smith Occ:Glass Silverer 13 The Grove Homerton
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Spouse Name: Rosetta Drew
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Jun 1899
Parish: St John at Hackney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Henry Smith Occ:Shopkeeper
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Drew Occ:Blacksmith
Witnesses were Henry Smith and >>>>>Eliza Smith

At least one of them had a middle name,so his birth cert might not be too hard to find.

Maureen

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 14 Apr 2010 14:27

2 more with father Frederick cordwainer View Record

Eliza Elizabeth Smith Baptism 1 Jul 1838 Frederick Smith,
Elizabeth Smith St Matthew, Bethnal Green Tower Hamlets
View Record

Jane Mary Smith Baptism 20 Jan 1839 Frederick Smith,
Elizth Smith

one address looks like Ely place

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 14:26

Far from disappearing I think if you look at the 1861 It says that Frederick is a shoemaker from Norfolk which fits in with the 1841 and 1851 I posted earlier.

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 14:23

What I now need to do is to look into the other children listed...Alice, Alfred and John.

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 14:20

Spouse Name: Eliza Broomhead 3 Ely Place
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Jun 1860
Parish: St Andrew, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Frederick Smith Occ: Cordwainer
Spouse Father Name: James Broomhead Occ:Turner
Witnesses were James Broomhead and Elizabeth Smith

This looks like the one Maureen.

Years fit, Elizabeth would have been Henry's mother or sister.
And this would give me a definite to the 41 and 51 census.

And this is the one marriage record I couldn't access on Free BMD because the transcribers couldn't read the page number.

But again, I have to be sure.

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 14 Apr 2010 14:19

?? born 28 th nov 1840


Name: Henry Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 20 Dec 1840
Father's Name: Frederick Smith cordwainer
Mother's Name: Elizth Smith
Parish: St Matthew, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Ely place !

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 14:17

I do have that census, but extra children on it, though Harriet, Eliza (My G Grandmother), Elizabeth and Henry all fit..but have learned my lesson regarding guessing.

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 14:14

Just had a look at one of the census I have saved.
Maureen, if you take a look at the original view of the 1861 census, you will see underneath, nextdoor at 3 Digby is FREDERICK SMITH, and his wife Eliza, who mysteriously reappears after disappearing in the 1841 and 51 census.
Coincidence?

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 14:12


Is this your Henry?

1881 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: 52, Brook Street, Hackney
SMITH, Henry Head Married M 40 1841 Shopkeeper
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 40 1841
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 20 1861 Plasterer
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, John Son Single M 19 1862 Plasterer
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 15 1866 Helps In Shop
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alice Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alfred Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter Single F 0 1881
Bethnal Green
Middlesex

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 14 Apr 2010 14:09

no problem , where did you get him from ? Is he on a census , does he have children etc, please ?

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 14:04

No Lindsay, no records anywhere that I am limited to find.
That's the marriage that looked suitable, but I see the birth year is 1830, so too early for my Henry.
There was another suitable marriage I found on FREE BMD, but it couldn't decipher the page number, so don't know if there was an Eliza in it.
Apart from a few Henry Smiths in Bethnal Green in the 1841 and 1851 census', I can't find any trace of his birth, parents or marriage.