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Hi Ozi & Wendy, I found his baptism on Family search but not on IGI's. I have a thread on Tips Board, Looking in Norfolk for Ancestors, if you follow the info on there, all the Norfolk images are on Family Search in the pilot records. Frederic Smith was baptised Frederic Leake, assuming Leake was a middle name. He was illegitimate. Mother Susannah Smith.
Hilary.

For instance this would be relevant in confirming the marriage.

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0


ALFRED RIGBY SMITH Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth: 18 JUN 1827

Christening: 18 JUN 1843 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London, England

Parents:
Father: FREDERICK SMITH Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C046984


I had already started looking for the marriages for you but had not realised you had started a new thread.

Wendy
It is not in your best interests to start a new thread as info in your old thread may be used as a reference point.


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1216662

Hilary, he doesn't come up when I search. Can you give us the batch number?

Ozi

Thanks Susan.
Another Frederick Smith tree that connects, but still no further information...still elusive!

Hi Wendy

The 1838 marriage cert says in the orginal image that his father is not known.

The other marriage to Elizabeth Rigby 1820 I posted is a Parish record as Margaret said and does not state the fathers names.
Sue

Edite
Witts to the Smith / Brees marriage are
Sarah Smith
Robert Chambers.

Yes, that makes it a bigger mystery.

Sorry, Wendy, no fathers were named on the 1820 Rigby marriage (I guess it wasn't done back then)
On the Brees marriage it says beside Frederick's name father not known.

Found a Frederic Smith baptised in East Dereham july 1800. Looks like Frederic Leake, base born, mother Susannah Smith. It is a bit faint.
You can look for yourself on family search. I put a thread up last week about Norfolk parish records on Family Search. I will nudge it up for you. It is on Tips Board.
Hilary.

The father's name? Or the Rigby's?

Not on marriage certificate, Wendy, but on parish record of marriage on Ancestry.

Susan, the witnesses to the Smith Rigby wedding...I have found Thomas as her father, but the mother was listed as Susanna. Perhaps Sarah was a sister, or even step mother. Another possibility is Thomas was her brother, and Sarah his wife??
Another thought, thanks Margaret, is that on marriage certificate father unknown. Orphan? Adopted? Born out of wedlock perhaps? All very interesting and all very hard to trace.

Thankyou Susan, info I didn't have.
I will add that I have sent messages to tree matches for Frederick, have had 1 reply and it is a match, though no information either on their tree...fingers crossed the other members will have something.

I agree with Potty, don't put any faith in that entry that says born Norfolk, USA. I recall a tree I worked on that had a birth in Rutland and some American decided it was Rutland, Vermont, USA. It wasn't.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Frederick Smith
Name: Frederick Smith
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Rigby
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Aug 1820
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Witts
Thomas Rigby
Sarh Rigby

Yes, that is the mariage date I have, but no age for Frederick.
Thanks for the advice Potty, though I have had a look, and there is the same name place, and without being able to see the details, there were several Frederick Smiths that sailed to England in the correct period:(

I wouldn't put too much faith in that Ancestry entry with a birth in the USA - Ancestry sometimes assumes births are there if no country is entered.

Here is the marriage reference to Elizabeth:

Marriages Mar 1838 (>99%)
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Ames Eliza Temperance Bethnal Green 2 8
Bayley Francis Godman Capell Bethnal Green 2 8
XXX - Brees Elizabeth Bethnal Green 2 8
Cannon Ellen Bethnal Gn 2 8
James James Bethnal Green 2 8
XXX - SMITH Frederick Bethnal Green 2 8
Wagstaff Thomas Bethnal Green 2 8
Whitehead Rachel Bethnal Green 2 8

You can apply to the General Register Office (GRO) for a marriage certificate. Cost is now £9.25.

Jill

His second marriage. Original says father not known.
Name: Frederick Smith
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Brees
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Mar 1838
Parish: St Matthew, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Brees

Keep an eye on FreeREG. It's a growing database so whilst he may not be on there at the moment he may appear at some point in the future.

Jill