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I am having real difficulty finding people.
I have a marriage as follows...
Annie Maria Rogers married William Johns 1882 Lewisham
Her father is William Rogers and his is Richard Edward Johns.
Trouble is,I can find Annie and William on censuses after the marriage,but not before
She was born 1861 and he 1859,but I can't even see births that fit on freebmd!!
Hoped to find with their fathers so I could get a start..
Help please!

What area was Annie Maria born?

Have you checked various spellings such as Rodgers under Freebmd (there's a few listed under Ann Maria) eg 1859 and 1862?

:)

or could it be this one?

March 1861

ROGERS Anne Maria Brighton 2b 1__

Theres a few in the surrounding years under Anne Maria?

also what were father's occupations on marr cert

Fathers are William Rogers a labourer and Richard Johns a builder labourer .
The later censuses give places of birth for both William and Annie as...1891 Notting Hill and 1901 Torquay Devon..not a lot of difference!!
1891 they are in Notting Hill,1901 in Plymouth.
Also in 1901 William becomes Charles.
This is all confusing..I can't get birth certs as I can't work out which ones to get.

for reference..

1891
Annie Johns
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Notting Hill, London, England

Civil parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Johns 32
Annie Johns 31
Ernest Johns 7
Charles Johns 4
William Johns 3


REgards Vera

Vera
Yes,that's them
1901 they have moved to Devon.

?????

1871
fathers occupation ag lab.
William Johns
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Southhill, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: St Budeaux
Town: Saltash Passage
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Plympton St Mary
Sub-registration district: Plympton
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Johns 58
Elizabeth Johns 59
William Johns 13
Reuben Johns 9


Regards Vera

Vera
Thank you that does seem to fit.
Being he never gives the same place of birth ANYWHERE is possible.
Funnily enough William actually died in Cornwall,so this is a real possibility.
Maybe he came to London and met Annie????
Lara

Llara, Our ancestors never make it easy for us!!!

Regards Vera

tried to find in 1911 for birth places:
could this be them??
Married 29 yrs = 1882
1911 census transcription details for: 4 Norland Gardens

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN219 RG78PN7 RD3 SD1 ED23 SN272


Reg. District: Fulham Sub District: North Hammersmith
Parish: Hammersmith Enum. District: 23

Address: 4 Norland Gardens
County: London


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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JOHNS, Charles Head Married
29 years M 53 1858 Fitter Devon Torgnay

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JOHNS, Annie Wife Married F 50 1861 Devon Torgnay

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LUSCOMBE, Mary Boarder Single F 9 1902 Devon Plymouth

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had 3 children all living, birth places are Torquay

Rutland Belle
Yes that must be them..
William/Charles was a plumber when the children were born,but the rest fits and also I seem to remember the name Mary Luscombe from somewhere
I am going to check my tree,
Lara

No,can't find it,but I have definitely heard the name,so will go through my notebooks.
That is definiitely them though..
Thank you all for your help
Lara

Just adding the 1861 census to fit to Vera's 1871 finding:

Name: William Johns
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Elisabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: South Hill, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Sheviock
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: St Germans
Sub-registration district: St Germans
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c

Household schedule number: 152
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Johns 55
Elisabeth Johns 51
Francies Johns 15
Elisabeth Johns 13
William Johns 4
Reuben A Johns 2 Mo <<<(Reubin on 1871 stated born Sheviock)
William Beek 56
John Bawden 35
Robert Bawden 16

Ivy
Thank you very much for the 1861.
I thought that the parents seemed old for the ages of William and Reuben,but the older children make sense
Lara

Hi Llara, It states son for Reuben, but as you said his supposed mother would be too old.....I wonder if he is a grandchild ?????

Regards Vera

Be interesting to see his birth certificate........
Births Mar 1861 (>99%)
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JOHNS Reuben Augustus St Germans 5c 45

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Of course his grandparents/parents could have told porkies !!!!

Regards Vera

Hi Vera
Yes,the mother does seem too old,but not impossible I suppose.
Maybe there are even older children and he is a grandson?
This family are such a mix up...I might get the birth cert out of curiosity!
Lara

Llara,
If you do decide to get the birth certificate....I would be interested to know the outcome.If you wouldn't mind letting me know.

Regards Vera

Vera
Of course I will let you know.
I have a couple to order(for a diffewrent branch) so will add this to it
Lara