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It would appear that the siblings of Annie claim to be born in Scotland. Her two sisters, Jemima and Ellen, were born in England but claim Edinburgh residency. Their mother was from Edinburgh.

hers sister Jemima's birth:-

Births Mar 1884
HERBERT Jemima Lewisham 1d 1190

and Ellens:

Births Dec 1887
Herbert Ellen Lewisham 1d 11_7

Annies brother Francis was born in Scotland. Here are the details o his birth:-

Francis Herbert 7/02/1878 3h pm
5 Elliot Street
Albert Street
Edinburgh

father:- James Herbert, mosaic tile layer (manager)
mother: Mary Herbert maiden name Hepburn
married 31/12/1872 Edinburgh

registered by father 05/03/1878


also Sidney/Sydney:

Sidney Herbert 31/07/1876 3h 45m AM
124 Canongate Edinburgh

father:- James Herbert , Mosaic worker
mother: Mary Herbert maiden name Hepburn
married 31/12 1872

registered by Mary Herbert (her X mark) Geo McArthur Assistant Registrar , witness
registered 15/08/1876

In 1901 James Herbert is listed as a Widower:


1901 England Census
about James Herbert
Name: James Herbert
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:Road Labourer, Mosaic tile fixer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 264
Household Members:
Name Age
James Herbert 50

Buy Lilian Phyllis Boyce-Russell's birth certificate and it will confirm her parentage. I feel sure the info provided is that which you need.

If this is one of her siblings:

Births Jun 1912
Boyce-Russell Annie W ...... mmn Herbert........ W.Ham 4a 389

and this is one of her own children:

Births Sep 1930
Giles Annie W....... Boyce-Russell...... W.Ham 4a 344

Then it has to be more than coincidence!

If it proves to be a connection, then note the mothers maiden name HERBERT on 1912 birth. This then ties in with all the other info .

MB

Hi MB
I think you are on the right track as my Dad's sister was Annie Giles,I am very grateful for your help as I can now add some of my Dad's family to my tree.I was always told that my Grandmother's family was titled people maybe earlier on or maybe not.
realy greatful chris

Funny, I was told that too but turns out way back a GGgrandfather worked for the lord of the manor............about as near as titled as I get!

The birth of Mary Hepburn ( Annie Herberts mother) ?

22/11/1850 HEPBURN MARY..... FRANCIS HEPBURN/ANN CORMACK..... FR7504 F CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/003 0270 0522

original reads:-
Baptism

2nd October 1855

Francis Hepburn, shoemaker, Big Lochends Close, Canongate, and Ann Cormack, his spouse,
had a daughter born 05/10/1847
names:- Isabella
The same parties had a son born 20/02/1849
names:- Gavan
The same parties had a daughter born 22/11/1850
names :- Mary
The same parties had a son born 28/11/1852
names:- James



1851 Scotland Census
about Mary Hepburn
Name: Mary Hepburn
Age: 4 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Francis
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Edinr, Midlothian
Parish Number: 685/1
Civil parish: Edinburgh Iron Church
County: Midlothian
Address: No 2 House South Grays Close Or 56 High Street
ED: 1
Page: 3 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 12
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1851_178
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Hepburn 23
Ann Hepburn 23
Isabella Hepburn 3
Gavin Hepburn 2
Mary Hepburn 4 Mo

1871 Scotland Census
about Mary Hepburn
Name: Mary Hepburn
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Francis
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: St Cuthbert, Edinburgh
Registration Number: 685/3
Registration district: Canongate
Civil parish: Edinburgh Canongate
County: Midlothian
Address: 124 Canongate
Occupation: Book Folder
ED: 92
Household schedule number: 18
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1871_162
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Hepburn 43 Shoemaker
Ann Hepburn 43
Isabella Hepburn 23 daughter, Printer
Gavin Hepburn 21 son, Paper Pater
>>>>>>>>>>>Mary Hepburn 19 daughter, Book Folder
Francis Hepburn 14 son, Paper Pater
Alexander Hepburn 11 son, Scholar
Margaret Hepburn 9 daughter, Scholar
William Hepburn 3 son
James Hepburn 1 son
>>>>>>>>>>>James Harbert 22 Boarder,born Liverpool, Tile Layer

marriage of Annie Herberts Parents:-

31 December 1872
Canongate Parish Church, Edinburgh
after Banns according to the Forms of The Church of Scotland.

James Herberte, Mosaic Paver, Bachelor, age 24, residence: 124 Canongate Edinburgh
father:- James Herberte, Carpenter (Houses) deceased
mother:- Clara Herberte maiden name Wildman
signed James Macnair, Minister of Canongate

Mary Hepburn, Paper Folder, Spinster age 21, residence Same Place
father:- Francis Hepburn, Shoemaker
mother:- Ann Hepburn maiden name Cormack

witnesses:-
JamesTurnbull
Isabella Urquhart

registered January 2nd 1873
Edinburgh
Alfred MacLeod Assistant Registrar

Marriage of Mary Hepburn's parents:-
original reads:-

Monday 9th April 1849

Francis Hepburn, Shoemaker, residing in No 148 Pleasance and Ann Cormack also residing in the same place, both in this parish, Daughter of James Cormack, Weaver, thee have been several times duly and regularly proclaimed in the Parish Church of St Cuthberts in order to marriage and no objections offered.
Married on the Seventh day of May thereafter by the Revd. Henry Rutherford, Minister of Buchleuch Church in this Parish.