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SOPHIA TODMAN Pedigree
Female Family

Marriages:
Spouse: FREDERICK FAIRMANER Family
Marriage: 16 JUN 1828 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M062613 1816 - 1819 0919748 Film 1238664 Film
M062613 1820 - 1828 0919749 Film NONE
M062613 1829 - 1837 0919750 Film NONE
M062613 1837 - 1842 0919751 Film NONE
M062613 1842 - 1846 0919752 Film NONE
M062613 1846 - 1850 0919753 Film NONE
M062613 1850 - 1855 0919754 Film NONE
M062613 1855 0919755 Film NONE



looking for the others!




sylvia

try again

from the I G I

The first 5 are all extracted records from the parish register

MARTHA TODMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Birth: 08 SEP 1825
Christening: 20 NOV 1825 Church Of Christ-Independent, Petersfield, Hampshire, England

Parents William Todman and Dinah Gregory


JOHN TODMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male
Birth: 15 JUN 1817
Christening: 03 JUL 1817 Church Of Christ-Independent, Petersfield, Hampshire, England

Parents:- William Todman and Dinah


MARY TODMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Birth: 02 OCT 1819
Christening: 02 FEB 1820 Church Of Christ-Independent, Petersfield, Hampshire, England

Parents William Todman and Dinah


SAMUEL TODMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male
Birth: 13 JUN 1815
Christening: 20 AUG 1815 Church Of Christ-Independent, Petersfield, Hampshire, England

Parents William Todman and Dinah


JANE TODMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Birth: 27 NOV 1821
Christening: 20 JAN 1822 Church Of Christ-Independent, Petersfield, Hampshire, England

Parents William Todman and Dinah



??????? the following 3 do not say whether they are extracted or submitted records
Parents are William Todman and Dinah

Jemima Todman - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Christening: 29 NOV 1807 Steep, Hampshire, England


Sophia Todman - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Christening: 15 OCT 1809 Steep, Hampshire, England


Levina Todman - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Christening: 08 SEP 1811 Steep, Hampshire, England




sylvia

Thanks Fanny
Will do some more searching, see if I can trace any other siblings, Sylvia marriage info is great
Thanks everyone for help
toddy

Heres one to start you off again Sylvia.

The only other I have found so far.

MARTHA TODMAN
Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
08 SEP 1825
Christening:
20 NOV 1825 Church Of Christ-Independent, Petersfield, Hampshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM TODMAN
Family
Mother: DINAH GREGORY

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

B*****r it!!

I had just finished posting a long list of children born to William Todman and Dinah


and it went bye byes!



grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

There may well have been more children to William and Dinah,but being poor Ag Labs wouldnt they maybe have placed the daughters in service and the boys in service on farms as apprentices ?

haha, so at some point guessing samuel married possibly.
Need to put my potatoes on and stir stew then will be back
Toddy

from the IGI

WILLIAM TODMAN Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: DINAH GREGORY Family
Marriage: 04 JUN 1806 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M062612 1774 - 1783 0919744 Film 1238634 Film
M062612 1783 - 1798 0919745 Film NONE
M062612 1798 - 1806 0919746 Film NONE
M062612 1807 - 1815 0919747 Film NONE




sylvia

So on this basis do I presume only two children, think for moment I do !!
thanks for help will see where I can go with this.
Think parish records office check is next, and follow up samuel
toddy

and here is that same Samuel in 1851


1851 Census

Name: William Todman
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1782
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Dinah
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheet, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Steep
Town: East Meon
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Catherington
Sub-registration district: Horndean

William Todman 69 Ag Lab
Dinah Todman 68
Samuel Todman 33 Unmarried, Ag Lab
Javis Todman 5 b.ca 1846, Steep, Grandson

Address:- Burnt Ash Cottages




sylvia

Fanny
Think you are right just would like to find out more and be bit more certain this is right !!
Then when am more certain can burrow back for Williams parentage.
Toddy

No,I checked that too Sylvia which is why I didnt put the witnesses up..

Ginny says I muddle things,not this time I think..
Mind you thats only cos I had to give her some lessons in finding the right Welsh family earlier...:))



So why is the William and Dinah 1841 one not on exactly then?

Surely John may have left home by then if he was a coachman?

Hi Sylvia
you are right witnesses appear to be friends not rellies. last marriage to Elizabeth Huggins doesnt show up on london records either so only bmd info on that, was hoping to find last marriage may give me more info on his siblings
nope !!

I found that as well on IGI, just not sure as 1841 census shows John and sarah as williams children, no sign of samuel ?? but then 1841 census shows him as shoemaker not agricultral !! I think I need to go to records office see if I can get confirmation on this.
My dad was Farmer too !!!!
Toddy

I wondered if the witnesses on the first marriage would help .... ie, sister or brother.


But they don't appear to be any relation!


sylvia

My bet is these are your Johns parents,and please note the name Samuel in there to help my case..

TODMAN, William M 55 1786
TODMAN, Dinah F 50 1791 Hampshire
TODMAN, Samuel M 25 1816 Hampshire
WEST, Ann F 65 1776 Hampshire
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
396 Book/Folio:
5/16 Page:
7

Registration District:
Petersfield Sub District:
Petersfield Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Steep Municipal Borough:
Petersfield Address:
Steep Marsh, Steep, Petersfield County:
Hampshire


William is an AG LAB.

Farm worker.

Farmer sounds better that Ag lab on your cert,many did and do that for elevation of status.

Although I didnt need to do that when I married as my Father is a farmer and does own it himself....Ha.


From IGI



JOHN TODMAN
Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
15 JUN 1817
Christening:
03 JUL 1817 Church Of Christ-Independent, Petersfield, Hampshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM TODMAN
Family
Mother: DINAH

Ahh ok,
Yes 1881 cencus is correct that ann posted.
John had 2 sons Samuel and Walter by Mary an Briddon and daughter Sarah Susan by 2nd wife Thirza White. He then married Elizabeth Huggins.
1851 John is living with Mary ann and 1st son Samuel at Palace garden mews

I know you have,but is this the correct man on 1851and 1881 that AnnOGG posted.?
I put that up just to get some idea for people to try and work with..

And where is that Ginny,nowhere to be seen as usual.

What did he call his daughters please?

hi Fanny
Yep got his son John traced, which is where I got Williams name from.
He is listed as a Farmer on Johns marriage cert, 1841 cnsus gives a William, John and Sarah in Hampshire but William is a Shoemaker on that one, could he become a farmer in 2 years ?? And can not trace any mother ??

1851 for ref..

TODMAN, John Head Married M 35 1816 Coachman
Petersfield
Hants
TODMAN, Mary Ann Wife Married F 35 1816
Holborn
Middlesex
TODMAN, Samuel E Son M 3 1848
Chelsea
Middlesex
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1468 Folio:
283 Page:
12

Registration District:
Kensington Sub District:
Kensington Town Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Saint Mary Abbotts

Civil Parish:
Kensington Municipal Borough:
Address:
12, Palace Gardens Mews, Kensington County:
Middlesex


Name: John Todman
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Briddon
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Sep 1843
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
County: London
Borough: City of London
Father Name: William Todman<<<Farmer
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Briddon