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Just to let all you kind and helpful people know that I have returned!

But I will have to spend some time on 'family' matters just now and my Family History may have to take a slight step back for a wee while.

This thread will be the first I will return to - because he's ANNOYING me that I can't find him!!

TTFN

I'm back! - but completely snowed under with information on all sides of the family.

Family members have given me alot of details about various other members which I need to get my head around while it's "fresh".

Sadly, no information is included for our elusive man in this thread so I will return to this thread when my head is above water again. If I try to tackle this now, I will lose the plot on him and risk making a mistake.

Thank you, thank you for all the postings made while I was away. I'll try to get back to this at the weekend.

TVM,
Nicola

Er,no-not a prisoner in 1891:(just a quick re-cap)
1891 Ancestry
Household Members:
Name Age
Beatrice Harding 49
>>> Victor H H Harding 21
Douglas Harding 19
Jessie B Harding 18
Lydia Hoare 20
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 35; Folio 134; Page 11
and found OK on 1901.

Maureen

I didnt think that the marraige found for Henry and Rosina was the right one..thats why I queried it...looks promising on the Wales/prisoner though..when Nicola gets back she can let us know...her mystery may well be uncovered....

Have you looked at the 1891 Wales census for henry harding born 1869 in manchester he is a prisoner, it may account for why you cannot find him.

Pat

Name: Henry Frederick Harding
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 10 Apr 1898
Father's Name: Henry Harding decorator
Mother's Name: Louisa Harding
Parish: St Barnabas, Rotherhithe
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

71 Bramcott? road

could this be connected ?


Deaths Sep 1899 (>99%)
Harding Louisa 29 Camberwell 1d 655

Name: Henry Harding Decorator
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Spouse Name: Louise Dolly
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Feb 1897
Parish: St Katharine, Rotherhithe
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Alfred Harding >>> deceased wine merchant
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Dolly
If not we can discount this group.

Henry harding married Rosina Emily Petts in 1902 in Bermondsey

Pat

this is that Henry Harding in 1901 -


HARDING, Henry Head Widower M 29 1872 House Painter
Holborn
London VIEW
HARDING, Henry Son M 3 1898
Southwark
London VIEW
HICKS, Emily Mother Widow F 65 1836 Retired Monthly Nurse
Holborn
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
400 Folio:
111 Page:
34

Registration District:
St Olave Southwark Sub District:
Rotherhithe Enumeration District:
24 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Katharines

Civil Parish:
Rotherhithe Municipal Borough:
Address:
42, Bracton Road, Rotherhithe County:
London




and this is the same one in 1911 -

(the one who married Rosina)

HARDING, Henry Head Married M 39 1872 House Painter Weststone Park London Middlesex VIEW
HARDING, Rosina Wife Married
8 years F 37 1874 Dockhead Bermondsey VIEW
HARDING, Henry Son M 13 1898 School Camberwell VIEW
HARDING, Alice Daughter F 7 1904 School Rotherhithe VIEW
HARDING, Leonard Son M 6 1905 School Rotherhithe VIEW
HARDING, James Son M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Rotherhithe Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1924 Reference:
RG14PN1924 RG78PN68 RD24 SD3 ED11 SN104

Registration District:
St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub District:
Rotherhithe Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Bermondsey

Address:
108 and 109 Park Buildings R'hithe County:
London

there is a henry Harding a widow (decorator) living with son Henry age 3 and mother Emily Hicks in the 1901 census

Pat

Thank you to Angelas Ashes.

I am about to go away for a few days and won't be back to this until Sunday evening at the earliest.

Wouldn't wish any of you hardworking helpful peeps to think I was being rude and ignoring you!

Back soon.

I know you have said that the Henry with wife Rosina in the 1911 is down as born in London but if you look they have only been married 8yrs even though there is a son named Henry age 13yrs...his occupation is house painter and in the 1901 was he a decorator? Was I right in reading that prior to that he was an electrician?
Have a look for Henry Harding age 2 in the 1901 census and see if you can find him with his mother..

Another little nudge in these wee small hours, please?

Thank you!

PLEASE don't get bored with me giving this yet another nudge this evening.

Clever Gwyn found his [second] marriage, which in itself is a bit puzzling as you will see from the thread; i.e., he is down as 'single' in the 1901 census, yet by 1902 he is marrying his second wife. Huh??

I will be back and forth to this thread all evening, so please don't desert me on this one. I feel that the answer is tantalisingly close; but I really cannot get on with the 1911 census, even with the revelation that he will have a 'Rosina' as his wife.

Thank you in advance.

The revelation of the marriage in 1902 hasn't led me any closer to finding him in the 1911 census.

The only 'ROSINA [Emily] HARDING' that I can find shows her husband Henry Harding as being born in London. So, unfortunately, wrong this time.

Anyone else see anything, please?

Well done and thank you to Gwyn and Beejay.

My next step is to order the Wills of his mother and sister but was trying to save ££££'s!!!!

The marriage that Gwyn found is deffo him, so well done. But how odd that in 1902 he is marrying as a 'Widower' but in the 1901 census he is down as 'Single'. Incidentally, the 1901 was also difficult to find but his initials have been transcribed as 'H.C.K.' Harding - living in Abingdon Road.

But how on earth did you find that marriage, Gwyn?? With so many possible Henry Harding's to go at! PLEASE LET ME KNOW, so I can learn. And I am surprised that neither his mother nor sister appear as witnesses to this marriage - perhaps, I think, he may have married 'beneath him' as they say!!

Now - can anybody find his FIRST MARRIAGE, please?? Then
another mystery would be solved.

Grateful thanks for all your help so far.

I don't know if this is your Henry but came across this marriage in Southwark in 1902
Henry Harding age 32 widower occupation decorator to Rosina Emily Petts
Father Henry Harding deceased wine merchant
Now my eyes aren't what they should be but that's how I read his fathers occupation on the 1871 census
Have downloaded a copy of the cert in case it's of interest

Bee

Did Beatrice or Beatrice Jessie leave a Will naming Henry, or was he perhaps an informant of either of their deaths?
That would at least bring you forward a few years in searching.


Gwyn

Thank you Sylvia for that bit of detective work!

But, as I have mentioned, their family grave in All Soul's Cemetery (London) only contains the early departed father, followed by the son Douglas, then the widowed mother Beatrice and lastly the spinster daughter Jessie. Their records are wonderfully kept and they have been very helpful on all of this.

AND, I CANNOT FIND his death in London or elsewhere!!!

My hunch, and we need hunches don't we in this game?, is that he did marry - perhaps away from London. Only a hunch, though . . .

TVM again.

Have you considered that his mother might have made a mistake



especially if Henry had very recently died.


and that in fact, she should have said 2 children dead.






sylvia

I'm back again!
(Sorry, I should have typed 'here' on my previous post and not 'her' which might have confused peeps.)

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can someone try to look at this one with fresh eyes?

As I've said before, I feel that it is VERY unlikely that he left the UK. They were a tight family, widowed mama, spinster sister.

If only I could find whether he married, that might be a clue.

All/any suggestions always gratefully received. You're a set of stunning detectives and you've been marvellous in the past.

TVM.