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Thanks once again- will obtain marriage & birth certs for Jane Louisa, Elizabeth Mitchell 1862.

Same 1871 census as above with White & Mitchell children



1871 England Census
about Jane White
Name: Jane White
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John White
Mother's Name: Mary White
Gender: Female
Where born: Portland, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Portland
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: [Chisel]
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Registration district: Weymouth
Sub-registration district: Isle of Portland
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 126
Household Members:
Name Age
John White 46
Mary White 34
John White 22
Sarah White 20
Joseph White 14
John Mitchell 14
Mary Mitchell 11
>>>>>>Elizabeth Mitchell 9
Susanna White 6
Lewis White 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jane White 2


Could this be Jane Louisa White? If so, this is a possible connection!
Jane's father John White born 1824 is Elizabeth Mitchells step father and grandfather to Elizabeth Shelley/Mitchell born 1882.
Jane & Elizabeth are half sisters as they share the same mother(Mary).
Jane Louisa born 1870 is married to John White b 1867 who are parents of Abraham L White

Is this your John White born 1867 who married Jane Louisa White?

1871 England Census
about John White
Name: John White
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George White
Mother's Name: Susan White
Gender: Male
Where born: Portland, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Portland
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: [Chisel]
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Registration district: Weymouth
Sub-registration district: Isle of Portland
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 90
Household Members:
Name Age
George White 33 Quarryman
Susan White 29
George White 7
>>>>>>>>>>>John White 4
Abraham F White 1

Do you have the birth or marriage certificate for Jane Louisa White to establish who her parents were?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Jane Louisa White
Name: Jane Louisa White
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Weymouth (To 1958)
County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 319



England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Jane Louisa White
Name: Jane Louisa White
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Weymouth (To 1958)
County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 445
Spouse:- John White

very possible that this is Elizabeths birth and maybe not the Birmingham one above!


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Elizabeth Mitchell
Name: Elizabeth Mitchell
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Weymouth (To 1958)
County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 319

Parents of the Mitchell children in 1871 census:-

Marriages Jun 1856
MITCHELL John Shadrach Russell Weymouth 5a 586
STONE Mary Weymouth 5a 586


marriage of Mary Mitchell nee Stone to John White:

Marriages Sep 1864
White John Weymouth 5a 546
Mitchell Mary Weymouth 5a 546

Mitchell childrens births:

Births Jun 1857
Mitchell John Shadrach Russell Weymouth 5a 325

Births Jun 1860
MITCHELL Mary Read Weymouth 5a 333

Births Sep 1862
MITCHELL Elizabeth Fu[s_][n_]ard s/b (Fuzzard) Weymouth 5a 324


Elizabeth Mitchell born 1862 Dorset is wife of William F Shelley born 1861 Birmingham.
John White born 1824 Dorset is step father of Elizabeth Mitchell born 1862.
In 1891 census, Elizabeth Shilley born 1882 Weymouth is grandaughter of John White b 1824
So it is more and more probable that Elizabeth 1882 is the daughter of Elizabeth 1862 & William Shelley 1861.

David, do you have these census entries? Note the Mitchell children in this White family:-

1871 census transcription details for: Chisel Brandy Row, Portland
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 2005 Folio: 68 Page: 25

Reg. District: Weymouth Sub District: Portland
Parish: Portland Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Chisel Brandy Row, Portland
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
WHITE, John Head M 46 1825 fisherman Dorset
WHITE, Mary Wife F 34 1837 Dorset
WHITE, John Son M 22 1849 labourer Dorset
WHITE, Sarah Daughter F 20 1851 Dorset
WHITE, Joseph Son M 14 1857 Dorset
>>>>>MITCHELL, John Son-In-Law M 14 1857 Dorset
>>>>>MITCHELL, Mary Daughter-In-Law F 11 1860 Dorset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MITCHELL, Elizabeth Daughter-In-Law F 9 1862 Dorset
WHITE, Susanna Daughter F 6 1865 Dorset
WHITE, Lewis Son M 4 1867 Dorset
WHITE, Jane Daughter F 2 1869 Dorset



same family in 1891:-

1891 census transcription details for: 19, Mallams, Portland
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 1649 Folio: 31 Page: 18

Reg. District: Weymouth Sub District: Portland
Parish: Portland Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: St Johns City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 19, Mallams, Portland
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
WHITE, John Head Widower M 67 1824 Pauper
PortlandDorsetshire
WHITE, Jack Son Single M 40 1851 General Labourer
PortlandDorsetshire
PRATT, Susan Daughter Married F 26 1865
PortlandDorsetshire
WHITE, Jane Daughter Single F 22 1869
PortlandDorsetshire
WHITE, William Son Single M 20 1871 General Labourer
PortlandDorsetshire
>>>>>>>>>>>>SHILLEY, Elizabeth Granddaughter Single F 9 1882 Scholar
WeymouthDorsetshire
PRATT, John Grandson Single M 2 1889
PortsmouthHampshire

This John White had been a fisherman. here is his death:-


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about John White
Name: John White
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 75
District: Weymouth (To 1958)
County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 239

Thanks Irene. regards David.

Thanks - marriage cert has - William Shelley- deceased
Ocupation - seaman. So have come to the same conclusion as you. But her birth cert would prove it.

Thanks, David.

Re the mystery as to why your mother was born Hackney I wonder if the connection were the people living at that address in 1911.

1911 census transcription details for: 33 Margaret St Hackney N E
National Archive Reference: RG14PN1163 RG78PN38 RD11 SD5 ED24 SN290

Reg. District: Hackney Sub District: South East Hackney
Parish: St John At Hackney Enum. District: 24
Address: 33 Margaret St Hackney N E County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
HILL, William Head Married M 39 1872 Cycle Salesman Birmingham
HILL, Ada Wife Married 9 years F 35 1876 Birmingham
HILL, Dora Daughter Married F 2 1909 London Hackney



William Hill's father was Thomas Hill a Pearl worker.

Births Mar 1909
HILL Dora Selina Hackney 1b 495

David

Have you looked at OPC Dorset - Portland site - they have the Portland census for 1841 thru 1891 and baptisms marriages and deaths from early 1700 s to late 1800 s

Irene in Spain

If Elizabeth Shelley b 1882 was the daughter of Elizabeth Shelley nee Mitchell , she would have been born before her mothers marrige to William Shelley. Perhaps she was born Elizabeth Mitchell and assumed the name Shelley after her mothers marriage?

maybe one to consider?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Elizabeth Mitchell
Name: Elizabeth Mitchell
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Kings Norton (To 1912)
County: Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 482


re:-
"(Elizabeth Shelley) born C 1882. Have obtained her marriage cert, married at 19years on Dec 23rd 1900 in B'ham."

Who did it say was her father on this marriage certificate?

Still can,t find my grandmothers birth registration (Elizabeth Shelley) born C 1882. Have obtained her marriage cert, married at 19years on Dec 23rd 1900 in B'ham.

Her mother (G Grandma) was Elizabeth Shelley nee Mitchell, married to William Shelley in 1884. They produced a son, William Fredrick James Shelley on the14th Nov 1884 Portland Dorset.

Is it possible that Grandma Elizabeth ( 1st para above) was also their child? William F. J. Shelly's older sister. Did her birth go unregistered ? I need to establish and prove that link.

Thanks in anticipation, David

Thanks, Moody Blue.

More possible children?

Births Mar 1912
Shelley Margaret Day Aston 6d 614

Births Sep 1913
Shelley Elizabeth Day Birmingham 6d 499

Births Sep 1915
Shelley Nellie Day Birmingham 6d 504

Births Mar 1918
Shelley Alfred Day Birmingham 6d 393
Shelley Beatrice Day Birmingham 6d 394

Think that these may the births of the children of William b1884 Portland and wife Clara b 1884:-

Births Mar 1910
SHELLEY Robert George Birmingham 6d 98

Births Mar 1907
SHELLEY William Frederick Aston 6d 301

Births Mar 1905
Shelley Louisa Aston 6d 358

Thanks MoodyBlue, very helpfull indeed. Will have to plot or re -jig tree to sort out who's who. Also have applied for birth cert but have had two failures. Have applied again for William Frederik Shelly B1884 Weymouth. Thanks
David

nudge

Marriages Dec 1903
Day Clara Birmingham 6d 39
Shelley William Birmingham 6d 39


Perhaps , if you were tp purchase this marriage certificate, it will give you his fathers name & occupation. We know from the 1891 census that his mother was Elizabeth Shelley .widow, so with his fathers name it may be easier to find the correct marriage of parents.

William Shelley in 1911:-


1911 census transcription details for: 16 Court 9 House New John ST
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN18247 RG78PN1101 RD385 SD3 ED17 SN188

Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Duddeston
Parish: Aston Enum. District: 17
Address: 16 Court 9 House New John ST
County: Warwickshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
DAY, George Head Married M 53 1858 Brass Casters Leicester
DAY, Louisa Wife Married32 years F 53 1858 Laundry Warricks
DAY, Thomas Son Single M 20 1891 Stoker Birmingham
DAY, Alfred Son M 12 1899 School Birmingham
>>>>>>>SHELLEY, Clara Daughter Married8 years F 27 1884 Polisher Birmingham
>>>>>>>>>>>>>SHELLEY, William Head Married M 27 1884 Wire Drawer Portland
>>>>>>SHELLEY, Louisa Daughter F 6 1905 School Birmingham
>>>>>>SHELLEY, William Son M 4 1907 Birmingham
>>>>>>SHELLEY, Robert Son M 1 1910 Birmingham

Births for William ??? 1884 -1886 Weymouth registration district which includes Portland Dorset.

A possibility?

Births Dec 1884
Shelly William Frederick J Weymouth 5a 340