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Hi Liz, thanks for trying. The address for Alice and Harry at the time of their wedding was Broadbridge Heath,Horsham. That is the only address we have for her. Thanks for advice.Will give it a go. Kind Regards, Tricia.

Tricia - please do you have the address where Alice was living when she married
Thanks, Liz

Monday - Trev has just spoken to his cousin in Crawley, who does not recognise the surname, the surname of Topsy (Trev's Mum's friend) was White. Have you tried a search on this site for any members looking for Thayre/Thayer families - (there is a member called Paul who has William b l886 at Ifield in his tree). Perhaps they would know more about Harry.
Liz

Thanks for reply Liz, we don't know if there was anyone that knew her by the name of Topsy as she got older,but she was very good at keeping things seperate.We didn't know of it until we went through her things.We didn't know she had any of her cousins around until her diamond wedding anniversary when we met them. That was in 1993. Sadly by the time we've found out things they have passed on too. Kind Regards, Tricia.

Thanks for the updates. Trev's Mum had a friend called Topsy, we met her once in the l970's, will ask Trev's cousin if he knows more. Trev can't remember Topsy's surname.
Regards, Liz

Hi again Liz, sorry, Topsy's grandparents lived in West Street,New Town, Crawley. My brain not working properly at moment. Kind Regards, Tricia.

Hi again Liz, perhaps Alice was american as on a couple of her post cards she says that Topsy's cousin in America had sent her a post card but then another post card franked in Surrey she says she is busy with the company. Our daughter says we will never find out but I would like to give it a good go. Thank you for being so kind and helpful.Kind Regards, Tricia.

Hi Liz,found the registered envelope but doesn't have an address from Davids ( my husbands)grandfather ( Harry ) but post mark is Bournemouth. We know he lived in bournemouth until his death in 1964. We believe that Alice and Harry did part but do not know when.We also believe that Topsy went to live with her grandparents in New Street, Crawley when she was two or three. We know that Alice probably went to America without Harry as we have a letter that Davids mother sent to her father notifying him of Alices death in America. Kind Regards, Tricia.

Thanks for the details, please let me know when you find more, and I can look again. Did Alice emigrate without Harry?
I will ask Trev's cousin who has lived in Crawley all his life if he knows the name Thayre.
Kind regards, Liz

Hello again Liz, Harry Thayre was born december 1882 and him and Alice Lee married April1908. Their daughter Beatrice Frances Winifred ( Topsy ) was born at Broadbridge Heath, Horsham in September 1908. My husband and his sister grew up knowing and visiting their grandfather. I have mislaid a registered envelope that my husbands grandfather ( Harry )sent to my husband on his birth and I wanted to check the address. Harry lived in Bournemouth until his death in the sixties. Will try and find out if my sister-in-law can remember when he went there. My husband went into the Navy in the fifties so he doesn't remember anything like that. Kind Regards, Tricia.

The nearest I can find on the l9ll census is for a Henry THYER b l885 Sussex, single, a boarder with a family called Humphrey at Croydon.
Alice states she is single on the l9ll (if it is the correct person). Perhaps they put single, because they were not living together at the time of the census.
Do you know if Harry emigrated - or the names of their children please. Do you have any news of Harry after the l9ll census.
Kind regards, Liz

I have found Harry Thayre on the 1901 census but cannot find him on the 1911 census. Any ideas will be appreciated please.

Hello Liz, Thank you for your hard work. I looked through post card book last night and some of the post cards were not franked so can only think they were sent in envelope or taken to her.The latest franked ones were two in January 1912 posted in Sutton. The post cards were full of love for her daughter and Alice also seemed to be on good terms with her mother-in-law (Kate). We found out that my Husbands mother was called Topsy after we cleared her house.Too late to ask her about it.On the post cards it was not until she was maybe threeish. No one new her real name was Beatrice either.Only knew her as Frances Winifred. Tricia.

So here is Kate's marriage.

Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
Barnett Elizabeth E. Grinstead 2b 263 Scan available - click to view
Charlwood Kate E. Grinstead 2b 263 Scan available - click to view
Smith Robert E Grinstead 2b 263 Scan available - click to view
Thayke William E Grinstead 2b 263
Thayre William E.Grinstead 2b 263


And here she is. I was looking at Topsy earlier. What a wonderful name!!


1911 census transcription details for: 30 West Street Crawley
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN5263 RG78PN233 RD81 SD2 ED17 SN246

Reg. District: Horsham Sub District: North Horsham
Parish: Ifield Enum. District: 17
Address: 30 West Street Crawley
County: Sussex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
THAYRE, William Head Married M 55 1856 Stableman Home Wisborough Green Sussex
THAYRE, Kate Wife Married
34 years F 54 1857 Worth Sussex
THAYRE, Percy Son Single M 17 1894 Butchers Assistant Ifield Sussex
THAYRE, Topsy Granddaughter F 2 1909 Broadbridge Heath Sussex


Could this be her?

Births Dec 1908 (>99%)
Thayer Beatrice Frances W Horsham 2b 272


and Harry with his family.


1901 census transcription details for: New Town, Ifield, Crawley
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 951 Folio: 9 Page: 9

Reg. District: Horsham Sub District: North Horsham
Parish: Ifield Enum. District: 19
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters West Crawley City/Municipal Borough:
Address: New Town, Ifield, Crawley
County: Sussex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
THAYRE, William Head Married M 45 1856 Railway Signalman
Wisboro Green
Sussex
THAYRE, Kate Wife Married F 44 1857
Worth
Sussex
THAYRE, Harry Son Single M 18 1883 Bricklayers Labourer
Worth
Sussex
THAYRE, Sydney Son Single M 16 1885 Clerk Corn Merchants
Worth
Sussex
THAYRE, William Son Single M 14 1887 Errand Boy Greengrocers
Ifield
Sussex
THAYRE, Bert Son Single M 12 1889 Errand Boy Greengrocers
Ifield
Sussex
THAYRE, Percy F Son Single M 7 1894 Scholar
Ifield
Sussex



Sorry, must go to bed now. Will look back tomorrow.


Liz

This is the only one I can find going after the l9ll census, where she states she is single??? Liz
Name: Miss Alice THAYER
Date of departure: 20 June 1911
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Boston, USA
Passenger destination: Boston, USA

Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status: Single
Sex: Female
Occupation:
Passenger recorded on: Page 16 of 20





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Mrs THAYER Page 16 of 20 View transcript
Miss Julia THAYER Page 16 of 20 View transcript
Miss Mary A THAYER Page 16 of 20 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
CYMRIC
106898
F B Howarth
White Star
Boston, USA
16589
13096
499

I have found Kate and William on most census. They were at Worth, where my husband's paternal family came from, and in l9ll lived around the corner from his maternal grandparents, his mother and her brothers. Will ask some of his relatives if they know the name. Would you like copies of the census - Liz

Hello again, I have realised that I don't think I have said that Alice's maiden name was Lee. Some of the feed back has shown her maiden name but sorry for being remiss. A copy of the possible matches of emigration in 1911 will be appreciated please. I will unearth the post cards just to check that there are definately cards dated 1912 and post marked this country. Many thanks, Tricia.

Hi again, we have a post card book that belonged to my husbands mother that contained some cards from her mother(Alice) who obviously from the content loved her very much, but they are only up to 1912. Possibly there were some after that date but not that we found.Most were post marked Sutton in Surrey.In one she talks about very busy in the business. Her mother-in-law (my husbands mothers grandmother) was called Kate Thayre nee Charlwood. Many Thanks for help so far. Tricia.

Have found a couple of possible matches emigrating in l9ll - they had a maid with them. If you would like a copy, please let me know and I will post it on this thread.
Liz

I'm having trouble finding a family that fits what you know. You mention a mother in law with the daughter.
Do you have names for them and how do you know Alice emigrated after 1912?

Liz

Hi Liz, Many thanks for that, I did wonder. The occupation on the marriage certificate is carpenter. Tricia.

Hi Tricia,
I got the marriage from http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and Jonesy's came from findmypast.

You actually need to go on these sites to use the click to view. In freebmd's case, it is only the printed pages with names and register numbers. In findmypast's case, it will show you the original image but you need credits to view it.

Has George got an occupation noted, even though he is deceased?

Liz