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Hi Maggie, so sorry I have just read your post!
After leaving it for a while I decided to come back and have another go. Thank you so much for your post, it is really helpful :)

I will message you in case you don't get this

Thanks again,
Best wishes,
Tansy

Hi Tansy,
Your Ann Hargreaves was born circa 1800 at Castle Donington,(confirmed by personal visit to Leic Records Office). She had an adult christening there on 28th January 1818.
She did indeed marry Thomas Halford on 4 Oct 1822.
Unfortunately I do not have details of any children but I can give you details
of Ann's family.

Her father was John Hargreaves born 1773 at Castle Donington who married Mary Whitehead on 3rd May 1793.They had 14 children

1) John born 1793 and chr. 9.8.1793
2) James born 1794 and chr. 11.10.1794
3) Thomas born 1796 and chr. 24.4.1796 died 30.3.1805
4) Robert born 1798 and chr. 4.8.1798 at Beau Manor, Leics
5) William born 1799 and chr. 15.12.1799
6) Ann (as above)
7) George born 1801 and chr. 26.6.1801
8) Sarah born c1803
9) Joseph born 1806
10) Thomas born c1808
11) Samuel born 1809
12) Henry born 1814
13) Elizabeth born 1816
14) Edward born 1819
I have details of their marriages etc.

John Hargreaves born 1773 above, was one of 5 children of
James Hargreaves born 1735 and his wife Sarah Bakewell
James born 1735 was one of four children of James Hargrave born 1709
He died 4 Oct 1784
If you want more details let me know! Regards Maggie

The minimum age for marriage back then was 12 .

Thank you very much for all the posts.

The information on Thomas is very interesting... It certainly seems to fit, except that if he and Ann did get married in 1822... then that would make them far too young :S

It's all very confusing!

Unfoortunately I don't have any birth certificates. However, I think I have all the solid information on George and Priscilla as I have spoken to people who do have certificates and we have been ale to confirm our findings.
It's really the information on his father and mother that I need- Thomas Hallford and Ann Hargraves. I found their marriage record but that is all I have...


Many thanks and Best wishes,
Tansy

Have you got birth certificates (for parents, and mother's maiden name, etc) and marriage certificates (for ages, occupations, and fathers' names, etc) in an unbroken link back to the George that you are looking for?
Thanks

Mmm.. this is interesting. The Andrew Halford who married Emma gives his father as Thomas. So I wonder if they were cousins.

Andrew Halford
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Spouse Name: Emma Tindall
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 May 1861
Parish: St Mary, Paddington Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Thomas Halford
Spouse Father Name: William Tindall

Witnesses were John Halford and Jane

Their marriage. It looks as though Jane was Emmas sister. Nothing like keeping it in the family!

John Halford
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Spouse Name: Jane Tindall
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1853
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Paddington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Thomas Halford
Spouse Father Name: William Tindall


Also when all three of them married they were Labourers. It seems to be later that they became boatmen.

Looking at the 1911 Andrew and Emma had 15 children 9 of which died. How sad is that?

I'm going to post this but I don't know if it is relevant or not.


Thomas Allford>>>>>>>>>>>Boatman
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Brigit
Gender: Male
Where born: Castle Donnington, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Brampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Chesterfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 65
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Allford 46
Brigit Allford 43
Mary Allford 16
John Allford 12
George Allford 2

He seems to be part of a big family, if this is him, who were all baptised at Lockington which lays next door to Castle Donington.

THOMAS HALFORD
Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
24 MAR 1815 Lockington, Leicester, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: THOMAS HALFORD
Family
Mother: SUSANNAH


1841

Susannah Halford
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Lockington
Hundred: West Goscote
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district: Castle Donington
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Halford 70
Susannah Halford 50
John Halford 20
Ann Halford 20
William Halford 15
Ann Halford 13
Samuel Halford 10
George Halford 7
Mary Halford 3

Hmm, yeah that's very interesting. I guess that could be where people have found George the father from. But on this record, George and Priscilla were born in the 1860s instead of 1841 when my Greatx3 grandfather was born.

But, yep, that could very well be where the confusion has stemmed from!

Thank you,
Tansy

I think this is where the other trees have taken George as the father from. But on this George is a labourer and Priscilla is a minister so I don't think it is the correct couple.

George Halford
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Spouse Name: Priscilla Alcome
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Nov 1862
Parish: St John the Baptist
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hillingdon
Father Name: George Halford
Spouse Father Name: Richard Alcome


Although having said that the two witnesses were Andrew and Emma Halford and this looks very much like them


Andrew Holford
[Andrew Halford]
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Castle Donnington, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: New Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 231
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Holford 32
Emma Holford 30
Elizth Holford 2
Henry Holford 1 year, 4 months
William Lever 19
Thomas Pope 21
Charles Lewis 22
Alfred Higgs 16
Henry Humphreys 19

Henry George on 1911 - image does not say 'Baston by trade' but Boatman by trade'

Dea x

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Henry George Alford
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 5 Dec 1869
Father's Name: George Alford
Mother's Name: Priscilla Alford
Parish: All Saints, Battle Bridge
Borough: Islington
County: Middlesex



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, All Saints, Battle Bridge, Register of baptisms, P83/ALL1, Item 006


Father's occupation - Boatman

Address - North Hyde, Uxbridge



(this is the North Ide referred to on the 1911 census for birthplace of Henry)

Uxbridge is mis-transcribed as Exeter)

Hiya,

Yep that's them! :)

Many thanks,
Tansy

1881 -


HULFORD, George Head Married M 40 1841 Boatman
Castle Gathton
Leicestershire VIEW
HULFORD, Priscilla Wife Married F 39 1842
Wantage
Berkshire VIEW
HULFORD, James Son Single M 19 1862 Boatman
Paddington
Middlesex VIEW
HULFORD, Richard Son Single M 15 1866 Boatman
West Drayton
Middlesex VIEW
HULFORD, Lucy Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Paddington
Middlesex VIEW
****HULFORD, Henry Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
West Drayton
Middlesex VIEW
HULFORD, Stephen Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
West Drayton
Middlesex VIEW
HULFORD, Lydia Daughter Single F 3 1878 Scholar
West Drayton
Middlesex VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
11 Folio:
102 Page:
46

Registration District:
Kensington Sub District:
St Mary Paddington Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Paddington Municipal Borough:
Address:
357, Barge Brothers Amberly Wharf 1, Paddington, Paddington County:
Middlesex

is this your Violet May with father Henry George ?

1911 census -

HALLFORD, Henry George Head Married M 44 1867 Baston By Trade North Ide Near Exeter VIEW
HALLFORD, Annie Wife F 43 1868 Duty At Home Usley VIEW
HALLFORD, Annie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Duty At Home Usley VIEW
HALLFORD, Henry George Son Single M 18 1893 Northolt Sales Works Usley VIEW
HALLFORD, Alice Daughter Single F 15 1896 Duty At Home Usley VIEW
HALLFORD, Nelly Daughter F 13 1898 School Usley VIEW
HALLFORD, Lizzie Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1905 School Usley VIEW
***HALLFORD, Violet May Daughter F 3 1908 Northolt VIEW
HALLFORD, Priscella Widow F 71 1840 Wantage VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6787 Reference:
RG14PN6787 RG78PN339 RD127 SD3 ED5 SN27

Registration District:
Uxbridge Sub District:
Hayes Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Northolt

Address:
1 Brickfield Cottage West End County:
Middlesex



NOTE - Henry's place of birth is mis-transcribed. Exeter should read Uxbridge.

His occupation is Boatman.

Hehe, okay. Thank you very much for all your help :)

Tansy x

Have to 'do lunch' but will come back to it later.

Dea Xxx

Ah, I see.

Umm I'm not quite sure about that then...

Yes, I have their first son listed as James Holford, born in 1863 so I supose that wouldn't quite fit... I guess I just assumed that maybe he was born out of wedlock and left it at that...

I will have another search to see if I can trace a marriage record.

Oh. Well, Violet May Hallford was my great grandmother, her father, Henry George Hallford was my great great grandfather and his father George Hallford was my great great great grandfather!
This is all definate and confirmed with my grandmother and other Genes Reunited members who we've found are relations.

Many thanks,
Tansy

Tansy,

I think you need to put this 'family group sheet' to one side at the moment and start from what you actually know!! (It may well be correct but at the moment it is just confusing!)

Who is the ancestor who you know is 'your's' ??

Dea x

This is them in 1881


George Hulford
[George Halford]
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Priscilla
Gender: Male
Where born: Castle Gathton, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Paddington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: Barge Brothers Amberly Wharf 10357 Paddington
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Boatman
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 30a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hulford 40
Priscilla Hulford 39
James Hulford 19
Richard Hulford 15
Lucy Hulford 13
Henry Hulford 11
Stephen Hulford 8
Lydia Hulford 3

The problem is I can't find a marriage to Priscilla Bishop in 1865. Have you found details of their marriage.
If that is them in the 1871 which I posted above then that points to them marrying before 1865.
Which of their children is your next in line?

Hi Astra,

Well I actually got the information from a family group sheet sent by a correspondant. It just lists George's parents as Thomas Hallford and Ann Hargraves.

Unfortunately there is no other information about his parents...

Regards,
Tansy