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yes christine he was. but dead when they married in 1914
thank you both

Closest birth for Albert, but Warwick, not Birmingham:

Name: Albert Edward Bird
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Warwick (To 1932)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 608 (click to see others on page)

thats brilliant thanks meg

I'd just posted this wondering if it was John before Albert's birth, think she said John's occupation was labourer.

Name: John E. Bird
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Ebley, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: Osler St 17 House Reservoir Ter
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bird 68
Susan Bird 78
John E. Bird 30
Rosaline Bird 2
Henry Jones 20

Christine

Sanford family in 1911:

LANFORD, Fred Head Married M 39 1872 Strip Caster Bham St Pauls VIEW
LANFORD, Mary Ann Wife F 40 1871 Bham St Georges Birmingham VIEW
LANFORD, Emma Daughter Single F 19 1892 Cahin Maker Bham St Pauls Birmingham VIEW
LANFORD, Alfred Son Single M 17 1894 Apprentice Bham St Pauls Birmingham VIEW
LANFORD, Fred Son Single M 15 1896 Errand Boys Bham St Pauls Birmingham VIEW
LANFORD, George Son Single M 14 1897 Errand Boys Bham All Saints Birmingham VIEW
LANFORD, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 13 1898 Bham All Saints Birmingham VIEW
LANFORD, Nell Daughter F 11 1900 Bham All Saints Birmingham VIEW
LANFORD, Julia Daughter F 9 1902 Bham All Saints Birmingham VIEW
LANFORD, Hray Son M 8 1903 Bham All Saints Birmingham VIEW
LANFORD, Annie Daughter F 6 1905 Bham All Saints Birmingham VIEW
LANFORD, May Daughter F 4 1907 Bham All Saints Birmingham VIEW
LANFORD, Gertrude Daughter F 3 1908 Bham All Saints Birmingham VIEW
LANFORD, David Son M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Bham All Saints Birmingham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18039 Reference:
RG14PN18039 RG78PN1096 RD384 SD2 ED7 SN291

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
All Saints Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Birmingham

Address:
78 Devonshire Street Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

You did!

It might have been me, I was just posting a reply and Whoosh, it went!

You could contact GR, or just start again. I think I have most of it

Albert Edward Bird, b 1889 according to marriage cert, married Emma Sanford b 1891 in 1914 in Birmingham. Their child Olive is Zena's mother in law.

The marriage cert gives Albert's father as John Edward Bird, deceased, and both Albert and John are Casters. The witnesses were Fred Sanford, who is believed to be Emma's father, and Florence May Woodcock, possibly a friend of Emma's. Fred's wife was Mary Ann.

We found the Sanfords in 1911, called Lanford, with a load of children, and Zena has found them in earlier years.

We cannot find Albert Edward Bird or his father in 1911 or 1891.

sorry meg what was that birth date. really sorry zena

dont know what iv done but im sorry i wiped my john bird thread