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in 1978 florence moved into nothdown road with william moore dob 2/1/1892 dod sep quarter 1981 dover .
dont know at this point if they were together at any other address im still looking to see if any family with moore or any other partners .

update now have burial location in magate cemetry ,and trying to find the name of her partner as she did go under florence moore.
in 1982 she lived alone so we are working backwards to find a name .

its amazing what you learn re searches ,where to look etc

i could not have asked for a better ending many thanks

she never had custody as she left child 2 at hospital after birth and child 1 was given away the same day aged 1year old ,

but because he had never seen her from child 2s conception he never knew she had given the 2 kids away .

the divorce says 1 child of the marrige there were 2 agirl 1939 and boy 1940 .child 1 has his name on bith cert.

i paid a visit today to the womans daughter who picked up my father(child 2) from dundee as a 4 year old.
her family were friends with my great gran who was dead.
they raised my father as their own. i knew my father would want me to tell her the news ,she told me shes the last one left in her 70s now.

What a shame, to take custody of the child and have him reared by other people -- assuming the mother would have wanted custody, which she may not have.

One of the other casualties of war: the children of families broken apart by it.

divorce papers arrived this morning divorce was a result of 3rd child being born and being given his name.

as he was in iceland with the army he could account for 18months time frame making child 3 an impossibility.

no contact had been made from the conception of 2nd child (my father) and divorce states one child in the marrige and he was given custody (he did take custody but gave my father to others and had no input)

ive also located grave in margate cemetry in general with no headstone .have lair number.

the 3rd child was born while the named father was in the forces and couldnt possibly have fathered child so he did have grounds .

when divorce papers come thru im sure this will be the reason , as he is the one persueing divorce .papers are 9 .pages long and not the usuall 2 you would thing it holds a lot of personal information.

im waiting impatiantly ,they shouldnt be much longer caroline

Given the dates, it does seem likely that this was the situation, rootgatherer (the child being not a child of the marriage). I wouldn't assume it was she who deserted, though (or do we know that?). It might just have been he who had the grounds, given the birth.

Just another thought. She might have gone by the name Flynn after the divorce (I don't think many women reverted to a birth surname after divorce then) but not have wanted people where she moved, including any partner she had, to know she was divorced, and thus used Flynn as if it were her own/birth surname.

Caroline, have you got a copy of the divorce yet from The National Archives of Scotland? I think that this would answer the question of whether Florence knew of her divorce. The paperwork will give an address for Florence if it was known. If her husband knew that she had had another child in the period from her desertion to the divorce then I think that may have been the grounds for the divorce and details of the child's birth will also be noted in the paperwork.

my aunty is coming to me on sunday and im going to ask her to have a look at what ive found in yorkshire parish marrige divorce records .is it perhaps even possible she remarried somewhere and divorced in yorkshire .

i notice in kent moore is like smith or brown will be a case of looking a bit more in that area .

ive learned thru this anything is possible .lol caroline

rootgatherer -- true, one would expect births to be registered as Moore with mother Ivol rather than Flynn. But people did say odd things on certificates, sometimes for their own reasons. In particular, a married woman who had children with another man didn't always report her particulars correctly. One does wonder, as Caroline says, whether Florence knew she was divorced.

Not sure what the parish records you refer to in Yorkshire would be, Caroline. To marry again legally as a divorced woman she would have had to produce the divorce order -- but it's possible she married as single just without saying. The name as stated on her death certificate suggests she wasn't actually married, though.

ive found poss connection with yorkshire under parish records marrige and divorce .

her 1943 divorce from john kithner flynn was 1943 perth scotland so didnt think this would show on english records

so this could be a 2nd marrige or divorce ?

im going to have a search today and see what i can come up with ,prob more questions .caroline x

You would expect any possible births to be register Moore mmn Ivol rather than Flynn?

There are some Moore-Flynn births in Cleveland starting in 1945 that I can't find a marriage to account for.

1920-1960 there are only 5 Ms Flynn to Mr Moore marriages. They pretty much all seem to be associated with births in their own time and place.

I wonder?

I think the "Moore otherwise Flynn" indicates they weren't married -- she went by Mr. Moore's surname publicly (which was perfectly legal), but her "official" name was Flynn, and she was once Ivol.

- oh, oops, I see what you mean - they would have married had they known about the divorce. But maybe Mr Moore wasn't free to marry.

Glad you have the ultimate answer, hope you manage to find her burial place.

hi everyone certificate arrived this morning 100% proof is my grandmother.

died 26/6/1983 was going under the name of moore otherwise florence graham flynn .

also has maiden name of married woman ivol ,so ither she married mr moore or they are unaware of 1943 divorce.

last known at northdown rd margate and died in hill house hospital minster .

have been on the phone all day trying to locate where buried ,
as certificate indicates informant qualification removal of body to be buried

many thanks to all caroline x

That was the false trail I was following, Caroline -- Ivol is an unusual name and I found two births with that mother's surname registered under both Ivol and another surname (the father's), and thought: aha. But then I checked and found a subsequent marriage that accounted for them.

There was one other birth with mother Ivol, but I checked that marriage as well. In both cases, the wife/mother was not a Florence.


Edit - Caroline advises one of those is in fact indirectly connected, so I've sent the info about all by PM.

i will await certificate arriving prob just over a week and last known address should be on that .

next serch will be to find if i have any family in kent ,children of florence and their children my cousins.

if i find florence has been buried then i will take heather from my fathers grave to plant on hers .

i cant thank everyone enough for all the help ,i made a promise to my father before he died jan 2003 to keep looking for his family dead or alive .
without all your help this would not have been possible.

caroline xx

deleted, following a false trail unfortunately.

And none of us thought to look in England for her death? I'm surprised and embarrassed.

The details for info:

Name: Florence Graham Flynn
Birth Date: 8 Jul 1918
Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Thanet
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 1773

Hopefully, the death certificate will give you something that will help to find information about her later life.

just had a message today to tell me florence graham flynn born july 1918 died in thanet kent 1983 .
i will have to purchase death certificate and look into this further ,but if this is so a trip to kent will be on the cards for next year .caroline