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Now I get it:
Marriages Mar 1843 (>99%)
BREWER Edward Ongar 12 219
KNIGHT Mary Anne Ongar 12 219

So young James was born a Knight? and just used Brewer (of course)-except on his marriage cert.

Maureen

Just to take a Brewer birth to James and Fanny that is easy to trace because of the name :)

Births Mar 1865 (>99%)


BREWER Abraham Ongar 4a 101

Samantha on the image it is Brewer... no she is not married...but evidently she and James got together :) no marriage that I can see ... this is her 1851

1851 England Census
about Fanny Hedge
Name: Fanny Hedge
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Stapleford, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Stapleford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Hertford
Sub-registration district: Watton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
William Hedge 43
Eliza Hedge 44
William Hedge 13
Hannah Hedge 10
Fanny Hedge 7
George Hedge 4
Alfred Hedge 1

Well done Rose! So this shows her living with Browers or Brewers? Was she married at this point?

Bingo!


1861 England Census
about Fanny Hedge
Name: Fanny Hedge
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Stapleford, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Stapleford Abbotts
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Ongar
Sub-registration district: Chipping Ongar
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members: Name Age
James Miller 28
Maryann Miller 40
Jane Miller 2
Abraham Miller 2 wks
Elizabeth Brower 11
James Brower 22 **** Brewer
Sarah Brower 9
William Brower 6
Fanny Hedge 17 **** visitor
Charles Hedge 3 Mo ****son

At least we know we're on the same path,Rose!!!

Maureen

This is interesting... I got my gt gt nans birth certificate and Fannys maiden name was hedge and that went back to hertfordshire. Not sure if this helps. Thank you x

Maureen you were way ahead of me lol, I was just about to look at image :))

this is very out on a limb...but the only record I can find with a James and Edward, mother Fanny of the right locations which all match apart from Fanny's age.. but I would consider it a possibility>

1871 England Census
about James Brown
Name: James Brown
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Fanny
Gender: Male
Where born: Stapleford Abbots, Essex, England
Civil parish: Stapleford Abbots
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Ongar
Sub-registration district: Chipping Ongar
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
James Brown 34
Fanny Brown 29
Charles Brown 9
Mary Ann Brown 8
Abraham Brown 5
Edward Brown 4
James Brown 1

I think this would be that group in 1871-reads Brewer on the image:
1871 Ancestry
Name: Fanny Brown
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Stapleford, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Stapleford Abbots
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Ongar
Sub-registration district: Chipping Ongar
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
James Brown 34
Fanny Brown 29
Charles Brown 9
Mary Ann Brown 8
Abraham Brown 5
Edward Brown 4
James Brown 1
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1643; Folio: 153; Page: 1

Maureen

I can't find them in 1871 oddly, not under the name of Brewer..nor is there a marriage I can see of Fanny to Brewer...

Such a shame and no marriage to a brewer found anywhere :(

Sorry Samantha, as the father's name is not on the birth cert there is no way of knowing,

Thank you for this.

I assume they are her children, Elizabeth my gt gt nan however was born after in 1885. So I am not sure who her father was? Mystery x

Maureen from the Ongar Workhouse records

Edward BREWER 15 M Inmate Scholar Stapleford Abbotts, Essex
Fanny BREWER W 36 F Inmate Stapleford, Hertford
Henry BREWER 2 M Inmate Stanford Rivers, Essex
James BREWER 13 M Inmate Scholar Stapleford Abbotts, Essex

ah right this is the record that you think is Fanny

Fanny BREWER W 36 F Inmate Stapleford, Hertford so she certainly is not the marriage i put below lol too young. and there look to be other children with her.

So is this Fanny in 1881? And are the Brewer children hers??

1881 census transcription details for: Ongar Union Workhouse, Stanford-Rivers
RG number: RG11 Piece: 1741 Folio: 87 Page: 39

BREWER, Fanny Inmate Widow F 36 1845
Stapleford
Hertfordshire VIEW
BREWER, Edward Inmate Single M 15 1866 Scholar
Stapleford Abbotts
Essex VIEW
BREWER, James Inmate Single M 13 1868 Scholar
Stapleford Abbotts
Essex VIEW
BREWER, Henry Inmate Single M 2 1879
Stanford Rivers
Essex VIEW

Maureen

Thank you so much. I have been completely baffled by this for years. Elizabeth was definately born 1884/1885 to a Fanny Hedge who was living at stanford rivers workhouse, listed as widowed in 1881!! How strange.

I will have anothr look Samantha..but I think there is a discrepancy with dates here.... if Fanny gave birth to Eliz' in 1885 and you think she was in her 30s...then she cant have been married that early... ?

Elizabeth was born 1885 at this workhouse according to her birth certificate. Fanny Hedge is shown but not a father! Thank you x