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Susan
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14 Jul 2010 04:01 |
Hi I am trying to help out a friend,he is looking for his past family.
This is proving difficult,I only have Ancestry Heritage plus I don't have world Ancestry.
Does anyone have this name in there tree,or in there family I would be very greatefull for some help with this if possible.
His father was Mate Marin Kosovich bn 1911,Yogoslavia His mother was thelma Ivy Mudford 1915 Bunbury WA.
Mate marin Kosovich parents are Ante Kosovich farmer Sagreb Yogoslavia Ivka Al firivich Sagreb Yogoslavia
I know it is not much to go on but at the moment I really dont have a lot . Any help would be great. Thankyou Sue
EDITE ,He has just given me some more info and a look at Mate's marriage cert,I did'nt know he had it already.
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Vicci
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14 Jul 2010 04:51 |
where did they end up, England?? where exactly did they marry in england/uk ??
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JaneyCanuck
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14 Jul 2010 05:03 |
The surname barely registers in English records -- marriages in 1950 and 1996, no births or deaths.
Susan, even if you don't subscribe for Ancestry worldwide, you can still do the general search for the names and see whether anything comes up, you just won't be able to see details.
There is a family tree on Ancestry that you have access to -- just search for Mate Kosovich. It indicates that he died in NZ. I suppose this is probably your friend's tree, though. ;)
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Susan
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14 Jul 2010 07:45 |
Thankyou everyone for your replies.
Mate and his Aussie bn wife married in OZ they both are buried in Perths Pinnaroo valley cemetary Western Australia.
Mate came to Western Australia in the early 1900's but I cant find his passage details either My friend is quite elderley and does not dabble in Genealogy,he just asked me if I could find his past family.
I will try as you sugested and see what this other tree on Genes has . Thankyou . Suex
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Gee
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14 Jul 2010 07:57 |
Sue
The marriage cert should have a lot of details ie parents etc...
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1949 about Mate M Kosovich Name: Mate M Kosovich Marriage Place: Western Australia Registration Place: East Coolgardie, Western Australia Registration Year: 1939 Registration Number: 10
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1949 about Thelma I E Mudford Name: Thelma I E Mudford Marriage Place: Western Australia Registration Place: Coolgardie, Western Australia Registration Year: 1938 Registration Number: 10
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Gee
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14 Jul 2010 08:09 |
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 about Mate Marin Kosovich Name: Mate Marin Kosovich Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1943 State: Western Australia District: Kalgoorlie Subdistrict: Pilbara Occ; Blue Spee mine Nullgagine miner Also; Nikola Mijo Kosovich.....same occ
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Susan
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14 Jul 2010 08:11 |
Ginny thankyou
He only lives over the road from me so I just got a bit more info from him ie; marriage cert he already had of his parents.
Can anyone see Mate Marin Kosovich coming into this country early 1900,I can't find his passage anywhere.
Thankyou for your help. Suex
EDITE I have found his and his wife'sVoter Regs in Kalgorlie on Ancestry.
I have added more info on first post if it helps.
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Gee
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14 Jul 2010 08:11 |
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Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 about Mate Marin Kosovich Name: Mate Marin Kosovich <<Miner Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1949 State: Western Australia District: Kalgoorlie Subdistrict: Hannans Wife; Thelma Ivy 51 President St Home duties
Off to work, will check back later
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Susan
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14 Jul 2010 12:35 |
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Gee
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14 Jul 2010 15:19 |
The grandfather is on a few ER and here is what looks to be his death
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Ante Kosovich Name: Ante Kosovich Death Place: Western Australia Age: 85 Father's Name: Barisa Kosovich <<<<<<<<<<< Mother's Name: Iva Kosovich <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Registration Place: Swan, Western Australia Registration Number: 39/79/t
All on the ER listed below.
Kosovich Ane Female <<Home duties Kosovich Ante Male <<Vigneron Kosovich Ivan Male <<Vigneron Kosovich John Male <<Brickmaker Kosovich Jure Male <<Farmer Kosovich Mate Male <<Labourer Kosovich Matija Female <<Home duties Kosovich Matt Male <<Vigneron Kosovich Nicholas Male <<Vigneron
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 about Ante Kosovich Name: Ante Kosovich Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1936 State: Western Australia District: Swan Subdistrict: Swan
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JaneyCanuck
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14 Jul 2010 15:34 |
Unfortunately, "Mate Kosovich" seems to be the John Smith of Yugoslavia!
The one I was looking at in trees at Ancestry (and I'm not sure whether it's just one or more than one) seems not to be yours.
Here's another who seems not to be:
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action
KOSOVICH Mate born1898 departed1927 Liverpool Canada Halifax
travelling with a Peter Kosovich with the same year of birth.
Your Mate presumably travelled to Australia not via the UK, so he won't show in departures from the UK, of course.
I still wonder whether there isn't a good chance the Mate Kosovich-s are related, and it might be worth contacting people with others in their tree. (I was referring to trees at Ancestry, not here at GR.)
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/
I don't have access to Australian records at Ancestry, but a general search of historical records shows him on electoral rolls in Kalgourlie starting in 1937 (as Mate, later Mate Marin?).
There's another Mate Kosovich (at least) in Queensland around the same time.
But in 1925 and 1936 there is a Mate Kosovich in Swann, Western Australia. (Two entries at Ancestry for 1925 -- just a duplication?) Would this be him? It doesn't likely help a lot if it is, other than placing him there by 1925.
(Put me out of my misery -- is the name pronounced "mate" or "mattay"?)
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JaneyCanuck
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14 Jul 2010 15:38 |
Just tried google, as I'm sure you have, and it came up with your thread from March:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1210722
Would you delete that, as it is a duplicate (not permitted) and there is a risk that someone will see it at some point and not realize that all the information in this thread has already been found?
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Gee
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14 Jul 2010 15:46 |
Hmm yep sure are not easy to pin down but I is thinking that Mate was maybe born in Oz?
Kosovich Ante Male<<Vigneron Kosovich Jure Male <<<Farmer Kosovich Matt Male <<<Vigneron Kosovich Nicholas Male <<Vigneron Kosovich Nikola Male <<Labourer
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 about Ante Kosovich Name: Ante Kosovich Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1931 State: Western Australia District: Swan Subdistrict: Northam
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JaneyCanuck
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14 Jul 2010 15:53 |
A google also gave me search results in the IGI:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/customsearchresults.asp? LDS=1®ion=5&last_name=Kosovich
Results for: Kosovich International Genealogical Index / Continental Europe - 49
Ante KOSOVICH Christening: 19 JAN 1853 Licki Novi, Hrvatska, Yugoslavia Father: Stepan KOSOVICH Mother: Mathia
as a *submitted* record.
A submitted record with an exact date and place, and not claiming to know the mother's surname, tends to look like a transcription from parish records, to me.
The father's name Mathia might be a source for "Mate".
... of course, a Mate Kosovich, with different parents, was christened in the same place 10 days later. I told you: John Smith! ;)
Here's what's interesting, though -- the mother of the 1853 Mate was: Ilka FERKOVICH.
That's just a little reminiscent of the name you have for the mother of the 1911 Mate: Ivka Al firivich. (Didn't the surname start out as one word? It's two?)
There are over 130 submitted records for Ferkovich in Licki Novi and Gospic, Yugoslavia.
Google maps offers a lot of institutions and such in Zagreb for Hrvatska, Croatia.
Lički Novi, Gospić Croatia
is about 100 miles ssw of Zagreb.
When people had made a major geographic/linguistic shift, they did often name birthplaces that were recognizable to / spellable by the local population where they settled.
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Gee
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14 Jul 2010 16:03 |
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 about Barisa Kosovich Name: Barisa Kosovich Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1949 State: Western Australia District: Moore Subdistrict: Moore Also listed;
Kosovich Ane Female <<Home duties Kosovich Ante Male <<Vigeron Kosovich Barisa Male <<no occupation, presume retired Kosovich Ivan Male <<Vigeron Kosovich Ive Female <<House keeper Kosovich Ivor Gingin Female <<Home duties Kosovich Jure Male <<Farmer Kosovich Mandina Female <<Home duties Kosovich Matija Female <<Home duties Kosovich Matt Male <<Vigneron
So we have the family listed with the father named on the death I posted earlier
Heres what seems to be his death. Not much help with parents though!
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Barisa Kosovich Name: Barisa Kosovich Death Place: Western Australia Father's Name: Kosovich Mother's Name: Kosovich Registration Year: 1952 Registration Place: Perth, Western Australia Registration Number: 24??9
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JaneyCanuck
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14 Jul 2010 16:04 |
Ginny --
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Ante Kosovich Name: Ante Kosovich Death Place: Western Australia Age: 85
-- is there a *year of death*?? ;)
year of death minus age 85 = ?
i.e. that way we have his approx DOB.
Death was in Swan, WA, so the Mate Kosovich on the ER in Swan in 1925 I mentioned earlier is likely ours?
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Gee
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14 Jul 2010 16:20 |
No JC, no date of death grrr
There is this death that at least puts a date of birth of one of the little Smiths!
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Ante Kosovich Name: Ante Kosovich Death Place: Western Australia Age: 62 Father's Name: Ivan Kosovich Mother's Name: Matija Kosovich Registration Year: 1972 Registration Place: Perth, Western Australia Registration Number: 4019/72
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JaneyCanuck
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14 Jul 2010 16:27 |
Hmm, well, sort me out -- what's the last electoral roll Ante was on? Assuming he died before the next one, it will give us a reasonable timeframe for the death and thus his birth, anyhow!
edit - as you did - so a grandchild of Ante and Ann died in 1972 at age 62, i.e. born circa 1910.
That doesn't really work.
Mate Marin was a *son* of Ante and Ann and he was born circa 1911, according to our info here.
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Gee
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14 Jul 2010 16:30 |
Sort you out....me too
Heres the last ER I can see for him before his death
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 about Ante Kosovich Name: Ante Kosovich Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1954 State: Western Australia District: Moore Subdistrict: Swan Along with;
Kosovich Ane Female Kosovich Ante Male Kosovich Betty Ethel Female Kosovich Irene May Female Kosovich Ivan Male Kosovich Ivor Gingin Road Female Kosovich Mandina Female Kosovich Matija Female Kosovich Matt Male Kosovich Peter Male
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JaneyCanuck
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14 Jul 2010 16:33 |
So hold on -- this household on the ER --
Kosovich Ane Kosovich Ante << Kosovich Ivan << Kosovich John Kosovich Jure Kosovich Mate Kosovich Matija << Kosovich Matt Kosovich Nicholas
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 about Ante Kosovich Name: Ante Kosovich Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1936 State: Western Australia District: Swan Subdistrict: Swan
-- that Ante could be Ante *son* of Ivan and Matija, born c1910, not Ante *father* of Ivan.
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