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Our grandfather is Charles Hall, son of Charles & Viola Hall. He has six siblings including Ivor. They lived in Alberta,Canada and then BC, Canada. Any other info we could help with we would be more than willing. Thank you so much for helping us with the missing link!

I've told you the free way to duplicate some of SatNav's results, so now for some of Ginny's:

http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-54E2884/gbsearch/Births,Marriages,Deaths

Michel is just on the BC side of Crowsnest Pass - I had to look it up, although I must have gone thru it - gives some idea of its impressiveness.

HI well what super websites! and lots of lovely info. i have already made contact with a couple of people on their who may be able to tell me more!!
thank you all SOOOOOOO MUCH!!
Helenxx

I have not done any in depth Canadian research
but this should interest you.

http://www.britishhomechildren.org/

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~britishhomechildren/

Hmmm?

British Columbia Death Index: 1872 to 1979
about Robert Hall
Name: Robert Hall
Gender: Male
Age: 62
Death Date: 7 Feb 1936
Place of Death: Michel
Registration #: 1936-09-511055
bca #: B13156
gsu #: 1953020

Re your PM about being confused. You need to draw up a time line for Robert..pencil and paper jobby!

Start with his birth and then put all the info you have in chronological order

It will all start to make sense. Keep to the basic info at first or you'll confuse yourself! You can fill in other stuff later

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WOW!!! mgnv and satnav what can i say? so much info to digest! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! i can't say how happy i am to be finally getting somewhere with this lot.
I really am very grateful!
best wishes Helen

An alternative drilldown gets the census links page at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html
you can get images of 1851, 1881-1911.
The transcriptions might differ, but anyway, try it out yourself.

As a worked example, lets try Robt in 1901 - we might reasonably guess he's with Annie, but there's no way to use that info on the free AG search.
So we search 1901 for Robert Hall with spouse=Ann* on Ancestry
If you've got the right sub, then you're done - but if, like me, you don't, then you'll miss some details on your hits:


View Record Name Parent or Spouse Names Home in 1901(Sub-District, District, Province) Birth Year Birthplace Relation View Image
View Record Robt Hall Anna city, Algoma, Ontario 1844 location info
View Record Robert Hall Annie L city, Bruce (North/Nord), Ontario 1850 location info
View Record Robert Hall Annie city, Hochelaga, Quebec 1857 location info
View Record Robert Hall Annie city, York (West/Ouest), Ontario 1870 location info

It's clear the Robt we're after is in York West Co, and age=30/31.
Now this is easy to find, but as an illustration, we'll find him an alternative way which is handy when transcribed surnames differ between AG and Ancestry.

Click Ontario, then York West, then surnames begining with H, then guess how it's been transcribed at AG - well here it's Hall and our Annie jumps out before we even get to Robt.

1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON YORK (West/Ouest) (#131)
Subdistrict: Toronto Junction (Town) H-8 Page 13
Image: View the image with: split screen
Images are from National Archives Web Site
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6509
Transcriber: Lorna Madill
Proof reader: Judy van der Veen

4 135 Hall Robert M Head M Aug 31 1870 30
5 135 Hall Annie F Wife M Apr 11 1872 28
6 135 Hall Charlotte L F Daughter S Apr 13 1900
7 135 Taylor Margrette F Boarder W May 9 1851 49
8 135 Taylor John E M Boarder S Aug 4 1888 12

Having seen SatNav birth records, we can guess these Taylors aren't just ordinary boarders.
Anyway, we can click the split screen link, but I've never managed to save that image, and it's only Sched 1 (the people) and Sched 2 (the building) is of interest in 1901.

Our LAC links page gives:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1901/index-e.html

This is a geographic search, but we have all the info above [NB don't specify schedule # on search]
Actually, Ontario, 131, h 8 areall we need initially, then the sched 1 page#=8 (of 17)
We might guess (correctly) that, since page 8 of 17 is less than halfway thru, we want page 2 of 4 for schedule 2.

1901-S1: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z003/z000120309.pdf
1901-S2: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z003/z000120294.pdf
[Robt, a baker, immig 1886
698 Humberside Ave]

Just for info, Lincoln Co runs from Hamilton to the Niagara R and contains St Catherine's

A useful free site is the LAC gateway:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html

Drilling down from there, a search at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passengers-quebec-1865-1900/001082-100.01-e.php
get one of the Cardinal Browning group of kids [think that's the group, but had a bit of bother transcribing image]
- Robt is Toronto bound

Name: HALL, Robert
Age: 14
Date of Arrival (YYYY/MM/DD) : 1886/06/28
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Ship: POLYNESIAN
Reference: RG 76
Microfilm: C-4535


A search at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/001015-100.01-e.php
gets

Surname: HALL
Given Name: Robert
Age: 14
Sex: M
Ship: Polynesian
Year of Arrival: 1886
Departure Port: Liverpool
Departure Date: 08 July 1886
Arrival Port: Quebec
Arrival Date: 18 July 1886
Party: Cardinal Manning
Destination: Ottawa
Comments: From London Unions
Source: Library and Archives Canada/Bibliothèque et Archives Canada
Reference: RG76 C 1 a and General Correspondence file RG17, Vol.519, File 57294.
Microfilm: C-4535
Type of Record: Passenger Lists/Listes de passagers
Group of Children Traveling Together

[so I stuffed up with my transcription - there's also a 13 y o Charles arriving July 1887 with another Cardinal Manning group you might like to check out - so this Chas should be 32 if he were on the 1906 census - these interpolated censuses only covered MB, SK, AB]

Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1936
Name Estimated birth year Death Date Death Location Gender

Charlotte Louisa Hall abt 1901 20 Mar 1906 York Female

1881 England Census
about Charles Hall
Name: Charles Hall
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Paddington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Ashford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: "West London District School" Ashford
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Staines
Sub-registration district: Sunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: West London District School
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Laura Ennesey 13
John Eales 11
Margaret Eales 8
Elizabeth Eales 6
John Freeman 8
Thomas Fish 12
Ellen Francis 11
William Francis 9
Agnes Francis 6
Emily Falls 12
William Finch 7
Ellen French 14
Edwin Fullaway 5
Susan Faulkner 11
Frederick C. Gore 9
Alice Gore 12
Eliza Garner 11
Eliza Gardner 10
Rebecca Gerrard 12
William Green 11
Alice Garnett 9
John Grainger 9
Arthur Green 6
Frederick Grantham 12
William Grantham 10
John H. Hopgood 14
George Head 9
Edwin Kington 8
George Kington 11
Susan Hoskins 12
Ellen Hughes 14
John Hill 11
Arthur Hill 9
Jane Hall 12 ??????????
Elizabeth Hall 11
Robert Hall 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Charles Hall 5 >>>>>>>>>>>
Georgina Hester 13
Annie Hester 11
Lily Hester 9
Emily Hinge 13
Charles Jewett 15
Richard Hare 11
John Kirby 11
Thomas Lane 15
Charles Lane 14
Frederick Loveland 12
John Mellis 12
Henry Maynard 11
Herbert Maynard 8
Martha Maystone 13
Clara Maystone 11
Ruben Mason 16
Rachel Mitchell 9
Mary A. Mitchell 5
Emily Norfolk 5
Kate E. Osborne 11
Robert Osborne 12
Louisa Ody 14
Ellen O'hara 6
Ellen Owen 9
Henry Owen 8
Charles Pickering 11
Henry Perry 12
Richard Phillips 7
Thomas Pearman 11
Elizabeth Pettett 16
Henry K. Prince 10
William Patmore 10
Charles Portens 5
George Press 10
Herbert Press 7
Augustus Press 5
Walter Press 11
John Reeves 15
Alfred Russell 7
William Richens 12
Frederick Sheelton 13
John Sutherland 7
William Sandwell 8
Jeanett Strange 14
Walter Skinner 12
George Skinner 10
Alfred Skinner 8
Henry Skinner 8
Florence Skinner 14
James Scannell 11
Florence Scannell 9
Emily Smith 13
Eleanor Sumner 12
Samuel Sumner 9
Arthur Sumner 7
Charles Shade 11
John Smith 8
Evelyn Spenser 10
Henry Strutt 11
William Shea 9
Ada Shea 7
Louisa Shea 5
Joseph Smith 7

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1327; Folio: 151; Page: 17; GSU roll: 1341322.



You can see now why it's important that we know all the names....hence me researching Viola Victoria

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1911
You searched for Hall Refine your search


All Birth, Marriage & Death Results Viewing 1-4 of 4

View Record Name Birth Date Gender Birth County Father's Name Mother's Name View Image
View Record
Charlotte Louisa Hall 13 Apr 1900 Female York Robert Hall Annie Sarah Taylor
View Record
Marian Gertrude Hall 15 Feb 1902 Female York Robert Hall Annie Savila Taylor
View Record
Viola Victoria Hall 22 Jan 1904 Female York Robert Hall Annie Savilla Taylor
View Record
Robert Charles Hall 14 Dec 1908 Male York Robert Hall Annie Taylor

1901 Census of Canada
about Robert Hall
Name: Robert Hall
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 30
Birth Day & Month: 31 Aug <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Year: 1870
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1886
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Roman Catholic
Occupation: Baker <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Province: Ontario
District: York (West/Ouest)
District Number: 131
Sub-District: Toronto Junction (Town/Ville)
Sub-District Number: H-8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Hall 30
Annie Hall 28 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Charlotte L Hall 1
Margrette Taylor 49
John E Taylor 12

This is a whole load of boys aged 14/15/16.I cannot make out what it says, may say conditional training.

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Robt Hall
Name: Robt Hall
Gender: Male
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Date of Arrival: 28 Jun 1886
Vessel: Polynesian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Polynesian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Roll: C-4535

wow ginny like you say way too much of a coincidence!! and if it's the right one a baker would have had an apprenticeship which is what these children were sent over to canada for!
ref is RG11/1327
4 of the 7 are their
jane
elizabeth
robert
and charles
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Can you post that English census with the brothers on please

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Hmmm

This looks too much of a coincidence

1911 Census of Canada
about Robert Hall <<<<<<<Baker
Name: Robert Hall
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 38
Birth Date: Aug 1873
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1886
Tribal: English
Province: Ontario
District: York South
District Number: 138
Sub-District: Ward 7
Sub-District Number: 31
Place of Habitation: 9 Bradd St
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Hall 38
Annie Hall 38
Marion G Hall 9
Viola V Hall 7
Harry Switzer 30

SORRY!! i didn't post as i was afraid someone would waste their time looking up stuff i already have. wasn't sure of the relevance and didn't want to complicate things but here you are xx

parents are Charles Hall b1832 croxton cambridgeshire UK
Bridget nee gilligan b1835 dublin ireland. they married in Dec qtr 1860 wolvehampton 6b 824
Bridget died in 1877 in kensington london UK and by 1881 the children are all in the west london district school ashford (basically an orphanage) while the children are in the school, dad charles is at her majesties pleasure chatham kent presumably for some misdemeanor to keep the family together??
charles snr and bridget had 7 children altogether all of whom i have traced except the youngest 2 Robert b1874 and charles b1876.
I have no idea what happened to Robert? he may have gone to canada as well? been adopted anything but the next youngest child was elizabeth b1870 she was my g grandma and the only thing she knew was charles went to canada. we have now located charles and this is who i would really like to find out more about!!
charles jnr his wife Viola and their children inc Ivor. It is my dream to find rel of charles jnr and reunite the family. Sadly all the older members of the family have now passed away but each of them had the regret that they never knew what happened to the boys. It would be lovely if i could fit the final pieces into the jigsaw!!
many thanks for all the help!!
Helenx

Errrrrr

Can we have Charles parents names then!!

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HI All
wow what a lot of info!!
Yes i know who Charles parents were and i have their details etc. mum died and dad was in prison in the UK which is why the children were in an 'orphanage' and then split up, they didn't even know their real ages!! we had completely lost track of charles and his brother and all we knew was Ivors name. I would love to pin down the year Charles came to canada!! any marriages for Ivor? i would sooooo love to get in touch with a living rel!!!! that really would be the icing on the cake!! because the children were so young when the family was split up most of the info i have been given was guess work or wrong so it has taken a loooong time to piece it all together. maybe Ivor can be found on a census in the US?? i wonder why he went their in the middle of the war??? anyone willing to look for Ivors siblings??? omg I AM SO EXCITED! any further info on any of them would be fab!! I don't think i want to trace Violas family further. just the Halls! oh this is so brilliant!!
Thank you all for your help!! i really appreciate it!!!!!!
thanks Helen
ps i have to go out now :-((((((
will check back in tonight xxxxxxxx