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Sandy, Bella would most likely be the Isabella that is on the 1911 that I posted on page 1.

She married as Isabella:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1932
Lamb Richard A Rawe Chester-le-S 10a 1099
Rawe Isabella Lamb Chester le Street. 10a 1099

I have just recived another e-mail which saya Edith had a sister called Bella no surname and that she lived at Blackhall Rocks

Also says that Olive sister Bella married a David or Richard Lamb about 1932

Thank you Sandy

Think this could be Edith with her parents.

Note the mother's name Eleanor (Nellie) and her sister Isabella. Also I think there was a Isabella in Wiliam's family pos his mother.

1891 England Census
about Edith Meller
Name: Edith Meller
[Edith Miller]
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Meller
Mother's name: Eleanor Meller
Gender: Female
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England

Civil parish: Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Hilda
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:22 Selbourne St.

Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4155
Folio: 94
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
William Meller 37 Born Scotland Coachman Domestic
Eleanor Meller 33
Isabella Meller 10
Elizabeth A Meller 8
James W Meller 5
Gertrude E Meller 3
Edith Meller 1

I agree Mel, would be well worth Sandy getting a copy of that cert.

Also, I can't see a couple actually called RAINE in the Durham area on the 1911 that would correspond to that marriage.

Ho ho ho I have just noticed that on the 1911 census poor Olive is down as Clive!!!! :-S :-S :-S

Thanks MarieCeleste

I think you will find that the 1911 census William has put Mr. William Rawe.

Thinking about the marriage I am pretty sure the one I posted above is the right one but only by buying it will you actually find out.

I do honestly think Edith Miller to William Raine is the correct one.

Just look at the spellings from the typing of both the names and you could see how easily it would be to read the surname as Raine.

What is any one elses thought please?

Think you could be on to something Mel - Forster Leighton married Agnes per the 1911.

I wonder if this William's surname could'nt be read properly????


It is the right year by the 1911 census as that says they have been married 2 years.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Edith Miller
Name: Edith Miller
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1909
Registration district: Chester le Street
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 923



Forster William Leighton Oct-Nov-Dec 1909 Chester le Street Durham


>>>>>Edith Miller Oct-Nov-Dec 1909 Chester le Street Durham

>>>>>>William Raine Oct-Nov-Dec 1909 Chester le Street Durham

Agnes Robinson Wood Oct-Nov-Dec 1909 Chester le Street Durham

Think he was just registered as William:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Rawe
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1889
Registration district: Auckland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 185

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: William Rawe
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1956
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Durham Northern
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1a
Page: 526

Looking at the original of the 1911 I'm thinking he may have been writing "Mr" in front of his name which has been transcribed as "W"

The 1911 census that MC posted has head as W. William , so William may not have been his first name.

Still not seeing a marriage though

I have got out my grandmother marriage cert 1 of the wits to marriage is

Eleanor Rawe the other is james Bambridge. The address for both of my grandparents is

40 Gillilaud cres
Birtley(not very clear)

The registration disrict is Chester - le- street

Thank you Sandy

A possibility for Edith in 1901:

MILLER, William Head Married M 47 1854 Coachman Domestic Scotland
MILLER, Eleanor Wife Married F 43 1858 So Shields, Durham
MILLER, Elizabeth A Daughter Single F 18 1883 Drapers Assistant So Shields, Durham
MILLER, James W Son Single M 14 1887 Shipyard Stores Clerk So Shields, Durham
MILLER, Gertrude E Daughter Single F 13 1888 So Shields, Durham
MILLER, Edith Daughter Single F 11 1890 So Shields, Durham <<<
MILLER, George R Son Single M 8 1893 So Shields, Durham
MILLER, May E Daughter Single F 5 1896 So Shields, Durham

Piece: 4730 Folio: 68 Page: 29
Registration District: South Shields
Civil Parish: South Shields

Address: 22, Selbourne Street, South Shields County: Durham

Sorry, posted wrong one initially ( gee you're quick !)

I think this 1909 birth is more likely given the 1911 census and age at marriage:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Olive Miller
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1909
Registration district: Chester le Street
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 685

(Mike - did you do a sneaky edit? ;-) )

Sandra, this is the info you gave us ...

Olive Miller was Olive Rawe who was illegitamate.
Olive Millers mother was Edith Rawe who married William Rawe

But now you say you think Edith was Miller and Olive born Miller.

Where was she born

Could this be her? ( same area as she married)


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Births Jun 1909

Miller Olive - Chester le S. 10a 685

I am not sure i think the mother name was Miller? and she married William Rawe

I have try to find a marrriage for a Edith Miller to William Rawe and i have try Edith Rawe to William Rawe

On my grandmother marriage cert her name is Olive Miller age 24 years and no father name is given

THANK YOU S ANDY

Here's the "Rawe" family in 1911:

RAWE, W William Head Married M 21 1890 Stone Work Coal Miner Underground Durham Bishop Auckland
RAWE, Edith Wife Married 2 years F 21 1890 Durham South Shields
RAWE, Olive Daughter F 2 1909 Durham Newfield Pelton S O
RAWE, Isabella Daughter F 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 Durham Grange Villa S O

RG number: RG14 Piece: 30101
Reference: RG14PN30101 RG78PN1738 RD554 SD1 ED17 SN19
Registration District: Chester Le Street
Sub District: Chester Le Street
Enumeration District: 17
Parish: Pelton

Address: Newfield Farm Newfield S O County: Durham

Sandy, as Mike says, the names are rather odd.

Do you know for certain that Edith actually married William Rawe, or did they live together and she took his name?

Do you know if her siblings were older or younger than Olive ?