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hello christine [ in portugal ]
you beat me to it - i have to go out soon and just thought i would have a quick look on here first and there you were with a registar office reference : i will get on and do that today and a really BIG thank you for your help

bye for now
irene

This could be their 1st child.

Births Jun 1858 (>99%)

Pollard Sarah Jane Bolton 8c 321

It does look likely that the John with parents William and Isabella is yours as he called 2 of his children by those names.

I also have to agree that the marriage in 1855 does seem likely.

Christine

hello dee
and thanks again for your help - i think i'll see if i can pin another of john & eliza's children down and get a birth cert and see if i get a different mothers surname on that it was what i've tried with my other difficult one - the trouble is the registars haven't found one yet - but i think maybe it's my best route at the moment
bye for now
irene

Hi Irene,

I agree that Adkinson is not Hodgkinson, however it is very close. My own G G Grandmother married in the parish inwhich she was born and her surname was Osbourne.............. however on her marriage certificate her surname was misinterpreted to Horsmann, so it does happen.

John was in the Bolton reg district in 1851 (well if that's him on the census?) so bearing that in mind this is the only other marriage for a John Pollard in that district between the years 1851-1861;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1851 (>99%)
Birtwistle Samuel Bolton 21 102
Bromiley Mary Ann Bolton 21 102
Darbishire Betsy Bolton 21 102
Haslam Orlando Bolton 21 102
Hilton Esther Bolton 21 102
Lomax Robert Bolton 21 102
Pollard John Bolton 21 102
Webster Ellen Bolton 21 102


NO Eliza on there, so without wanting to sound as if I'm spending your pennies for you I would hazard a very good guess that Eliza's name was mis-pelt or misheard and therefore put incorrectly on the day.


Irene, yes I'm Dee and it's so much easier and quicker to type than my board name... there are a few Dee's that help out on here so i decided that it would be better just to change my board name but stick t my signing name.... hope I haven't confused you.



Dee xx

hello janet
your two penn'orth is very welcome : i seem to have the sticky end of the stick with mothers surnames i have another one on my tree that is driving me nuts - but you are absolutely right - i'll have to spread all my notes out and see what i can come up with : the help i have had the last couple of days on here has been great - i also love the sense of humour
bye
irene

Just putting my two penn'orth in. Not trying to state the obvious but the way words/names are pronounced in Yorkshire versus Lancashire might sound the same to the rest of the world but to these two counties the pronunciation is very distinct to each. Someone being born in Yorkshire would speak differently to the Lancashire enumerator/registrar....its only a thought but Hodgkinson/Adkinson could easily sound the same.-JLe

hello dee
firstly is dee correct ?
the reason i'm struggling with adkinson is because john pollard & eliza [adkinson or hodgkinson] had several children - but their daughter isabella born in 1860 is my direct relative and i have her birth certificate [which i realise may be wrong] but it says hodgkinson for her mothers surname. i also sent for john & eliza's marriage cert based on hodgkinson and they couldn't find one. i've also had more luck on the census records for hodgkinson - finding a family with eliza at about the right age and a mother mary - i'm mainly trying to trace my direct line by following it up with certificates - i don't want to be on the wrong family : i would rather not put anyone on my tree that i'm not sure of - do you think i am doing this wrong ?
bye for now
irene

hello dee
i can't believe how much info you have given me
i had the 1861 - 71 - 81 - and 91 census but i couldn't locate a marriage for john and eliza : i found the adkinson one but she's supposed to be hodgkinson : i'll have to check up some more
so grateful for your help
best wishes irene

From the IGI;

JOHN POLLARD
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
01 JAN 1825 Wakefield, Yorkshire, England

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM POLLARD
Family
Mother: ISABELLA



Baptised at the same time were;

WILLIAM POLLARD
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
01 JAN 1825 Wakefield, Yorkshire, England

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM POLLARD
Family
Mother: ISABELLA


AND


STEPHEN POLLARD
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
01 JAN 1825 Wakefield, Yorkshire, England

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM POLLARD
Family
Mother: ISABELLA



Dee x

Possible marriage for martha;

Marriage: 16 Nov 1851 St Mary the Virgin, Deane, Lancashire, England
David Thorp - (X), 27 Husbandman Bachelor of Halliwell
Martha Pollard - (X), 21 Spinster of Halliwell
Groom's Father: James Thorp, Husbandman
Bride's Father: William Pollard, Weaver
Witness: John Pollard, (X); James Atherton, (X)
Married by Banns by: E. Girdlestone Vicar
Register: Marriages 1849 - 1852, Page 183, Entry 366
Source: Microfilm held by Manchester Central Library


Look at the witness, maybe your John!!!


Dee x

Irene,

this is possibly John and Eliza's marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
>>>>>>>>>>ADKINSON Eliza Bolton 8c 246
HAYS Catherine Bolton 8c 246
NEWSHAM John Bolton 8c 246
>>>>>>>>>>>POLLARD John Bolton 8c 246


Eliza's name may have been misheard.... not unusual. I would order the marriage cert and see who John put as his father and also see who the witnesses were.


Dee x

Uummm............. maybe??


1851 England Census about John Pollard
Name: John Pollard
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Great Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 1f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members:
Name Age
William Pollard 70
Isabella Pollard 60
John Pollard 25
Martha Pollard 20
John Higson 22
Richard Gough 20
Eliza Gough 24


Dee x

Hi Irene,

just for ref;

1861 England Census about John Pollard
Name: John Pollard
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Wakefield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Great Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 8f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members:
Name Age
John Pollard 35
Eliza Pollard 34
William Pollard 5
Sarah Jane Pollard 3
Isabella Pollard 9 Mo
Mary Hodgkinson 67 >> Mother in law
Ann Parkinson 27
Mary Parkinson 3
Ellis Parkinson 1


Dee x

looking for mother/father/brothers sisters of john born about 1824 in wakefield - he married eliza and they raised their family in bolton, lancashire
i would be grateful for any help
regards - irene