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can anyone help solve this mystery? i have a victory thorpe in my tree parents ann ranger and victory thorpe . victory junior was b 1848 seal kent . i have a chiristening date 14th may1848 seal kent. he has a marriage in 1869 st george hanover sq london . we cant work out in 1881 he had a mary forrester visit him with her children dora and george . i cannot find a marriage entry for them or a death entry for victory as in 1901 mary ann was a widow now under thorpe a pauper in paddington workhouse please help many thanks heather

They need not have actually married, may have just said they were

thats what i have thought

Have you found him in 1871?
Thanks

thats the one census i couldnt find

this is them in 1891 no kids with them either


1891 England Census about Victory Thorpe
Name: Victory Thorpe
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Maryann
Gender: Male
Where born: Seal, Kent, England
Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthews
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Paddington
Sub-registration district: St John Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Victory Thorpe 43
Maryann Thorpe 41

i dont think they had any kids together i think she had married before but in 1871 i think he had a daughter kate b 1869 sevenoaks kent living with his parents ann and victory or she may not have belonged to him

I wonder if this could be his death entry?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Victor Thorpe
Name: Victor Thorpe
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 46
District: Paddington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 42


How sad...Mary in 1911.


1911 census transcription details for: Paddington Workhouse, PADDINGTON WORKHOUSE
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN68 RD1 SD2 ED30 SN1

Reg. District: Paddington Sub District: Paddington Central
Parish: Paddington Enum. District: 30
Address: 5 Woodfield Road Paddington W
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
THORPE, Mary A Inmate Widow F 62 1849 Nil Essex Clacton on Sen

brilliant that sounds like him thankyou very much

Kate could have belonged to any of the older sons here. Do u have proof she belongs to victory junior

1871 England Census about Kate Thorpe
Name: Kate Thorpe
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Sevenoaks, Kent, England
Civil parish: Sevenoaks
Ecclesiastical parish: Sevenoaks Weald
Town: Sevenoaks
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Sevenoaks
Sub-registration district: Sevenoaks
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Victory Thorpe 48
Ann Thorpe 48
John Thorpe 25
Elizabeth Thorpe 16
Frank Thorpe 14
Caroline Thorpe 11
William Thorpe 8
Grace Thorpe 6
George Thorpe 4
Kate Thorpe 2

it is very sad thank you for all your help maybe where i was going wrong he may have changed his name to victor from victory i didnt think of that

he may used Victor as his dad had the same name so not to cause confusion and it stuck with him

no i havent any proof it was just a wonder as marriage entry was 1869 but i dont know as of yet who he married

thats true of his name i thought with the name victory it would be so easy to find how wrong was i.

Marriages Jun 1869 (>99%)
GRAVESTOCK Eliza St. Geo. H. Sq 1a 471
Keep Thomas St Geo H Sq 1a 471
TAYLOR Cecilia St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 471
Thorpe Victory St. Geo. H.Sq. 1a 471

It looks like he married Eliza Gravestock as i have found census entries for the Cecilia and thomas Keep

Marriages Jun 1869 (>99%)
GRAVESTOCK Eliza St. Geo. H. Sq 1a 471
Keep Thomas St Geo H Sq 1a 471
TAYLOR Cecilia St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 471
Thorpe Victory St. Geo. H.Sq. 1a 471

It looks like he married Eliza Gravestock as i have found census entries for the Cecilia and thomas Keep

fantastic i think i can take it from here all i need to find now is the 1871 census you have given me a lot to go on including looking for a victor as well as victory many thanks again for your time heather

Here's the 1871. He is a valet. It is transcribed as Victory Sharpe on ancestry. I have put in a correction.



1871 census transcription details for: Eaton Terrace, East Side, St George Hanover Square, Westminster
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 114 Folio: 73 Page: 10

Reg. District: St George Hanover Square Sub District: Belgrave
Parish: St George Hanover Square Enum. District: 46
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Westminster
Address: Eaton Terrace, East Side, St George Hanover Square, Westminster
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
LYTTLETON, Spencer Head M 52 1819 London
LYTTLETON, Henrietta Wife F 42 1829 London
KING, Sarah A Servant F 28 1843 Norfolk
EASTHIM, Ellen Servant F 26 1845 Middlesex
STOCKWELL, Sarah A Servant F 29 1842 Middlesex
THORPE, Victory Servant M 24 1847 Kent
married

well done u

i looked at the original and its him..

now what happend to Eliza! ? between 1869 n 1871

brilliant well done so he was still victory maybe eliza died i dont know as yet still looking