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hi jacky, thanks for all you have done for me,i am very happy with the info you have found out for me,thank you so much, i wonder if he may have gone in the army val x

hi val
i can,t find anything on william at all after he left the household where he lived with his mother & brother thomas he seam to just dissapear ?? i think we have exhausted all allyways for your grandad thomas as you seam to have all that infomation but william is proving to be elusive

jacky

hi jacky, i have been looking for some more in fo in my aunties papers and found that my grate grandfather and thomas rodgers knight in the 1901 census was living in a boarding house in noville st.birmingham as a general labourer, and in 1902 thomas my grandfather married priscilla harriet ann brown on october 7,1902 in the register office birmingham,i do hope the info i have given you and rootfinder help full i look forward to hearing from you , thanks again, kind regards val xx

hi rootgather,my grt,grandmothers name was REBECCA LINNELL RODGERS BORN,litchorough st giles northants in 1831; my grt, grandfather was WILLIAM KNIGHT BORN ,CROPWELL BISHOP NORTHANTS in 1831 ??;i don`t know if thay was married or knot; (but i dont know if he died or thay partted, )when my graet grandmother rebecca was about 27-29 ; i was told thy moved to birmingham, thay had 3 children, elizabeth mary knight born 1854;
thomas rodgers knight born1858 weeden beck northants; and william knight born 1859 northants, thomas was my grandfather,i remember my auntie telling me some of my info,thats how i can give you bits of info,i do hope this info was of some help to you,i look forward to hearing from you kind regards val x

Jacky - I am not sure that we actually know Rebecca's maiden surname. We need Valerie to come back and tell us which certificates that she actually has to prove that this is the correct family. If she is working back from a marriage certificate of one of the children, it will only give the father's name and occupation. Rebecca's children do not seem to appear on any census records with their father as they were all under 10 years old in 1861.

hi valerie ann
if your sure that its your elizabeth/mary elizabeth rogers knight i can,t seam to find a marriage for your grandfather william knight to rebecca rodgers unless it was mispelt but have search under soundtex & still nothing i think you will maybe have to send for the marriage cert of the knight & madge to confirm fathers details or do you remember anyone mentioning the name madge

jacky

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1856 (99%)
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Knight William Rogers Northampton 3b 60



Maybe for Elizabeth??? Daventry covers Weedon, the place given for Elizabeth's birth in 1861. William and Thomas are both given as Northampton.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1853 (>99%)
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Rogers Mary Elizabeth Daventry 3b 84



Just as a matter of interest, how do you know that this is the correct family if you don't have any birth certificates and the children don't appear on any census records with their father please? Which one is your ancestor and do you have that ancestor's marriage certificate please?

Do you know what Rebecca's maiden surname was please?

hi rootgatherer, know sorry thats knot them but thank you so much kind regards val xx

hi jacky, i think you have found elizabeth for me thank you thank you your an angel, would it be posserbul for you to help me find william knight born 1859,elizabeths brother, i look forward to hearing from you kind regards val xx

This may be the couple in the 1853 marriage posted - if so, it can't be your Rebecca.

Name: Rebecca Knight
[Rebecca Sharp]
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Mother's Name: Johannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Larick, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Shirland
Ecclesiastical parish: Shirland
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Ashover
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members: Name Age
John Knight 33
Rebecca Knight 38
Jo Hannah Knight 7 <<<<<<<<<<<<born Kettering (same place as the Knight / Sharp marriage)
Robert Knight 5
John Knight 2
Mary Knight 6 Mo
Johannah Sharp 68
William Quance 25
Luke Humphrey 16


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2526; Folio: 83; Page: 14; GSU roll: 542984

hi rootgatherer, i don`t know if she was born befor our after marrage ? kind regards val x

There is a marriage 1853

John Knight
Rebecca Sharp on Free BMD

this could be possible death for elizabeth as she seamed to use either mary elizabeth or just elizabeth the age & area of death fits with the age of her birth


Name: Mary E Madge
Death Registration Month/Year: 1928
Age at death (estimated): 74
Registration district: Birmingham North
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 555


possible for her husbands death


Name: Thomas W Madge
Death Registration Month/Year: 1935
Age at death (estimated): 86
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d




i,m going out now but will pop back later to see what you think

was elizabeth her full name did she hav any middle names that you know of & have you found a birth for her as i can,t find a birth
was her mother rebecca rodgers as in the 1861 census there were 2 lodgers with surname rodgers if so i think this could be a POSSIBLE marrige for elizabeth

Marriages Jun 1871 (>99%)
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Knight Mary Elizabeth Rodgers Birmingham 6d 236
Madge Thomas Waldran Birmingham 6d 236


this is them in 1891 what do yo think place of birth is righ & her mother & brothers were in the same area in 1891

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Madge
Name: Elizabeth Madge
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Madge 32
Elizabeth Madge 38
Alfred Madge 15
Sidney Madge 13
Ann Madge 68
John Madge 24
Thomas Driffill 24

hi jacky, thank you how can i find out what has happend to william born 1859, and elizabeth born 1854, i am at my wits end kindrgards val x

hi jacky, thank you for the info, i am trying to find out what has happend to william knight born 1859, and his sister elizabeth knight born 1854, kind regards val x

william is missing off this census maybe he married or passed away but at least it gives you a start date as when he was last with rebecca in 1891


1901 England Census
about Rebecca Gamble
Name: Rebecca Gamble
Age: 71
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Litchborough, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 132
Household Members: Name Age
George Gamble 73
Rebecca Gamble 71
Thomas Knight 42

Thomas is still single in 1901 and living with his mother and step father.

Name: Thomas Knight
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Weedon, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 132
Household Members: Name Age
George Gamble 73
Rebecca Gamble 71
Thomas Knight 42


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2829; Folio: 76; Page: 22


1891

Name: William Knight
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: St Giles, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Gamble 63
Rebecca Gamble 60
William Knight 34
Thomas Knight 32

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2369; Folio 71; Page 2; GSU roll: 6097479.


1881

Name: Thomas R. Knight
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Step Son
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Weedon, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: Court 1 No 2 Morville St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Brass Founder

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Gamble 53
Rebecca Gamble 50
William Knight 24
Thomas R. Knight 22

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2967; Folio: 94; Page: 24; GSU roll: 1341710.


1871

Name: Rebbecca Gamble
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Litchborough, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household schedule number: 124
Household Members: Name Age
George Gamble 38
Rebbecca Gamble 37
William Gamble 14
Thomas Gamble 12

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3101; Folio: 110; Page: 22; GSU roll: 839571

1891 England Census
about Rebecca Gamble
Name: Rebecca Gamble
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Litchborough, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Gamble 63
Rebecca Gamble 60
William Knight 34 ..................occupation ...iron stamper
Thomas Knight 32 ...........occupation............ iron stamper

1881 England Census
about Rebecca Gamble
Name: Rebecca Gamble
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Litchbrough, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: Court 1 No 2 Morville St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Gamble 53
Rebecca Gamble 50
William Knight 24 .................occupation..... stamper
Thomas R. Knight 22