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Well I am bowled over! Thank you for this help with this! Who knew all this could come from a check up over a marriage! This is a very interesting marriage though! Thank you!

Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900

Name: Robert Preston. Gill
College: ST JOHN'S
Entered: Michs. 1880
Died: 30 Aug 1927
More Information: Adm. pens. at ST JOHN'S, July 20, 1880. S. of Robert Preston, wine and spirit merchant [of Farndown House, Rusholme, Lancs., and Eleanor Lawrence]. B. [Mar. 3, 1862], at Rusholme. Matric. Michs. 1880. Died Aug. 30, 1927, at Altrincham, Cheshire. Brother of William P. (1884) and Herbert S. (1882). (Scott, MSS.; The Times, Aug. 31, 1927.)

On 1901 William P is down as 'living on own means', and 1911 Farmer.

The Cambridge Alumni comes from Ancestry.

I think with this whole family there is a lot dotted about! :-))

Chris :)

(seems to be a Private Member Tree on Ancestry with Robert P)

Thank you Chris, I have just seen you edit! I'll look into that!

Thank you again for this help!

Thank you Chris and T this is very interesting to me! Just out of interest of confirming William Preston Gill in 1901 and 1911 what is his occupation? That would probably confirm either way.

Thank you also for the information on Camebridge which is fascinating also! Where did you get the Cambridge University Alumni information from? Also, does it say what William Preston Gill got his BA in? And, does it state why he died in Ireland?

Thank you again!

census search results 1911 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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WORRALL, Charles F Head Married M 49 1862 A Managing Director Of The English Velvet By Cord Dyers Anc Ltf Lancashire Manchester VIEW
WORRALL, Eleanor S Wife Married
19 years F 43 1868 Lancashire Manchester VIEW
WORRALL, Phyllis E Daughter Single F 18 1893 Cheshire Ashton on Mersey VIEW
WORRALL, Francis W Daughter F 14 1897 Student Cheshire Altrincham VIEW
IRISH, Hilda B Governess Single F 34 1877 London Regents Park VIEW
HURLEY, Laura K Servant Single F 27 1884 Parlour Maid Domestic Somertshire Bridgewater VIEW
BROCK, Rhoda J Servant Single F 37 1874 House Maid Domestic Herefordshire Heeford VIEW
LAWSON, Hilda Servant Single F 23 1888 House Maid Domestic Cumberland Penrith VIEW
SLACK, Laura Servant Single F 28 1883 Maid Domestic Nottinghamshire Hyson Green VIEW
MITCHELL, Eliza H Servant Single F 16 1895 Kitchen Maid Domestic Denbighshire Denbigh VIEW
GRIFFITHS, Susannah Servant Single F 27 1884 Cook Domestic Shropshire Owestry VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
21551 Reference:
RG14PN21551 RG78PN1283 RD445 SD2 ED28 SN138

Registration District:
Bucklow Sub District:
Altrincham Enumeration District:
28 Parish:
Dunham Massey

Address:
Longcroft Bradgate Road Dunham Massey County:
Cheshire

Chris :)


1911 Irish Census...
Census Years1911KildareCaraghYeomanstownResidents of a house
Residents of a house 5 in Yeomanstown (Caragh, Kildare)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Gill William Preston 45 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland England Farmer Read and write - Single - - - -
Lewis Bridget 25 Female Housemaid Roman Catholic Tipperary - Read and write - Single - - - -
Cullen Margaret 29 Female Housemaid Roman Catholic Tipperary - Read and write - Single - - - -
Donnelly Rosie 17 Female Kitchen Maid Roman Catholic Kildare - Read and write - Single - - - -
Byrne Margaret 40 Female Cook Roman Catholic Wexford - Cannot read or write


Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900
about Robert Preston. Gill
Name: Robert Preston. Gill
College: ST JOHN'S
Entered: Michs. 1880
Died: 30 Aug 1927
More Information: Adm. pens. at ST JOHN'S, July 20, 1880. S. of Robert Preston, wine and spirit merchant [of Farndown House, Rusholme, Lancs., and Eleanor Lawrence]. B. [Mar. 3, 1862], at Rusholme. Matric. Michs. 1880. Died Aug. 30, 1927, at Altrincham, Cheshire. Brother of William P. (1884) and Herbert S. (1882). (Scott, MSS.; The Times, Aug. 31, 1927.)


If you can take out a sub for Find my Past, there is quite a bit of info. on the following...


Great Western Railway Shareholders 1835-1932


(and this from Lancashire OPC)


Baptisms: 25 Mar 1841 St Augustines, Everton, Lancashire, England
Eleanor Lawrence Simpson - Daughter of John Thomas Simpson & Phillis
Abode: Breck Rd Everton
Occupation: Merchant
Baptised by: Rich Appleton
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1872, Page 45, Entry 360
Source: LDS Film 1656013

Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900

Name: William Preston. Gill
College: ST JOHN'S
Entered: Michs. 1884
Born: 16 Aug 1865
Died: 27 Apr 1931
More Information: Adm. pens. at ST JOHN'S, Apr. 22, 1884. [Youngest] s. of Robert Preston, wine and spirit merchant [and Eleanor Lawrence]. B. Aug. 16, 1865, at Farndown House, Rusholme, Lancs. School, Radley. Matric. Michs. 1884. Died Apr. 27, 1931, at Yeomanstown, Co. Kildare. Buried at Farndon, near Chester. Brother of Robert P. (1880) and Herbert S. (1882). (Radley Coll. Reg.; Scott, MSS.; The Times, Apr. 29, 1931.)

Cant see William in 1911 but might have Louisa

HOUSEHOLD GILL LOUISA F 1876 35 Chorlton Lancashire

Possible?


1901 England Census

Name: William Gill
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Louisa
Gender: Male
Where born: Warrington, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gill 36
Louisa Gill 27
William Gill 14
Daniel H Gill 9
Albert Gill 7
George Gill 1

No subs to 1911 as per..

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other

HOUSEHOLD WORRALL ELEANOR S F 1868 43 Bucklow Cheshire
HOUSEHOLD WORRALL CHARLES F M 1862 49 Bucklow Cheshire
HOUSEHOLD WORRALL FRANCIS W F 1897 14 Bucklow Cheshire
HOUSEHOLD WORRALL PHYLLIS E F 1893 18 Bucklow Cheshire

1901 England Census

Name: Eleanor S Worrall
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles F
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Dunham Massey
Ecclesiastical parish: Dunham Massey St Margaret
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Bucklow
Sub-registration district: Altrincham
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 126
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles F Worrall 39 Head Manchester - Bleacher Dyer/printer of Cotton Goods
Eleanor S Worrall 33
Phyllis E Worrall 8 Daur Sale, Cheshire
Frances W Worrall 4 Daur Altrincham, Cheshire
Rhoda J Brock 28 Serv - Housemaid Domestic - Hereford
Jessie Chorlton 15 Serv Kitchenmaid -Domestic - Ringway, Cheshire
Elizabeth Watts 50 Cook Domestic - Gainsborough, Lincoln
Mary L Hall 32 Parlour maid Donestic - Wellbourn, Licoln
Clara Gardham 35 Nurse Domestic - South C? Yorkshire
Kate Tomblin 27 Maid Domestic * Retton? Rutland

"Longcroft" Bradgate Road

Chris Ho, thank you for the 1911! This is much appreciated!

Also, T in Middx, thank you for the look up in the newspaper! No wonder I couldn't find a death if it occured in Scotland! I wonder if it was at some grand party in the Highlands? Perhaps I am just being romantic!

Thank you and I have just registered to be a member of Lancashire library! So I am check the newspapers soon! I look forward to reading reports and notices about my posh relations!

While we are on the subject, can I ask for a further look-up; It seems as though out of the the four children of Robert Preston Gill and Eleanor Lawrence Gill, only one married.

Can someone look in 1901 and 1911 for the other two siblings:

1) William Preston Gill, born 1865 in Manchester
2) Eleanor Simpson Worrall, born 1867 in Manchester (wife of Charles Francis Worrall born 1862, and who is staying with the Gill family in 1891 just before his marriage).

Thank you so much for all of your help! This is amazing to find all of this out!

Dated Wednesday Aug 31st 1927

GILL - On Aug 30 1927 at Darna, Altrincham, Cheshire, ROBERT PRESTON GILL, son of the late Robert Preston Gill. J.P of Woodhayes Hall, Ashton-on-Mersey, in his 66th year. Service at St Margaret's Church, Altrincham, to-morrow (Thursday) at 12.15 prior to interment at Hale Cemetery

Dated Thursday July 8th 1915

GILL - On the 4th July, at Dee Bank, Farndon, Cheshire, in her 75th year, ELEANOR LAWRENCE GILL of Woodhayes Hall, Ashton-on-Mersey Cheshire and Dee Bank Farndon, Cheshire widow of Robert Preston Gill of Woodhayes Hall,

Dated Tues 9th Sept 1902

GILL - On the 5th Inst., suddenly, at Glenkindie House, Aberdeenshire, ROBERT PRESTON GILL, of Woodhayes Hall, Ashton-upon-Mersey, Cheshire, in his 84th year. Funeral from Farndon, Chester on Wednesday at 1 o'clock.

Looks like he died in Scotland, 5th September 1902.
(notice in The Times, some other snippets too!)

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries/borrower/join.asp

By joining the above library, you will get access to old newspapers.

Chris :)

Cannot find a death reg for Robert Preston Gill Senior, this is possibly the son, age is correct

Name: Robert P Gill
Death Registration Month/Year: 1927
Age at death (estimated): 65
Registration district: Bucklow
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 172

1911 census, Eleanor L Gill...


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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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GILL, Eleanor L Head Widow F 70 1841 None Private Means Lancs Liverpool VIEW
PERRY, Jenny K Servant Single F 57 1854 Companion Domestic London Finsbury VIEW
BROOKES, Annie Servant Single F 32 1879 Nurse Sick Domestic Kentsford Cheshire VIEW
EMAN, Sarah Jane Servant Single F 38 1873 Cook Domestic Rushton Northamptonshire VIEW
PRICE, Margret Servant Single F 29 1882 Housemaid Domestic Evancoyd Radnorshire VIEW
WILD, Arthur Servant Single M 24 1887 Chauffeur Domestic Altrincham Cheshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
21833 Reference:
RG14PN21833 RG78PN1301 RD450 SD1 ED2 SN1

Registration District:
Chester Sub District:
Tattenhall Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Farndon

Address:
Dee Bank Farndon Chester County:
Cheshire


census search results 1911 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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GILL, Robert Preston Boarder Single M 49 1862 Wine Merchant Manchester Lancs VIEW
GILL, Herbert Simpson Visitor Single M 47 1864 Farmer Manchester Lancs VIEW
WYRME, Catherine E Servant Single F 41 1870 Housekeeper Llansliden Denbigh VIEW
JONES, Annie Servant Single F 44 1867 Laundry Maid Hentton Denbigh VIEW
HOSEDEI, Urnisther Servant Single F 18 1893 Kitchen Maid Endon Staffs VIEW
PRESTON, Alice Servant Single F 22 1889 Housemaid Hambelton Rutland VIEW
FOAR, Annie Elizabeth Servant Single F 26 1885 Housemaid Burton on Trent VIEW
HARRISON, Thomas Servant Single M 30 1881 Butler Farndon Chester VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
21561 Reference:
RG14PN21561 RG78PN1284 RD445 SD3 ED5 SN179

Registration District:
Bucklow Sub District:
Sale Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Ashton upon Mersey

Address:
Woodheys Hall Washway Road Ashton - upon - Mersey County:
Cheshire

Chris :)

Well I am flabbergasted! I had no idea I was related, albeit very distantly to such a wealthy family! I am quite shocked!

If anyone is able too, can you possibly look for the 1911?

I've looked and looked for the death of Robert Preston Gill, who was 82 in 1901 but nothing that I can see. I also looked on Free BMD for his sons but nothing is jumping out, so perhaps they emmigrated!

I'm just shocked; even though Eleanor's father was a Merchant, her maternal grandfather Thomas Brett (Philli's father, died in a workhouse). Philis' brother, my ancestor also died in a workhouse after trying to commit suicide for his destitution, and another brother killed himself after financial troubles. A cousin of Eleanor, my ancestor was in court three times for petty theft, and another cousin of hers hung himself in 1900 due to troubles with his buisness!

I do wonder if I have gone down the wrong route, even though the facts seem to match. I am just surprised that socailly Eleanor was 'allowed' to marry into such affulence, when some of her living relatives were destitute and living in abject poverty! I wonder if they all knew of one another?!

Anyone got any opinions?

Thank you Julia!

1901 England Census
about Eleanor L Gill
Name: Eleanor L Gill
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Robert P
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Ashton Upon Mersey
Ecclesiastical parish: Ashton upon Mersey St Martin
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England


Registration district: Bucklow
Sub-registration district: Altrincham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 142
Household Members: Name Age
Robert P Gill 82 - retired Wine Merchant
Eleanor L Gill 61
Robert P Gill 39 - Wine & Spirit Merchanr
Herbert S Gill 37 - Wine & Spirit Merchant
William Gibson 64 - Butler
Edward Ivery 25 - Footman
John Foster 25 - Groom
Ernest Preice 23 - Groom
Rosa Tidnan 52 - Cook
Eliza Jones 26 - Maid
Joan Miller 26 - Laundress
Sewan Veysey 21 - Housemaid
Annie S Stevens 20 - Kitchen maid
William P Gill 35 - Visitor, living on own means

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3323; Folio: 16; Page: 23

Maybe somebody with subs for 1911 can find her then.

1891 England Census
about Eleanor L Gill
Name: Eleanor L Gill
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Robert P
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Ashton Upon Mersey
Ecclesiastical parish: Bowdon St Mary
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Altrincham
Sub-registration district: Altrincham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert P Gill 72 - Wine Merchant
Eleanor L Gill 50
Robert P Gill 29 - Wine Merchant
Eleanor S Gill 23
Thomas H Stanbridge 30 - Visitor
Emily Stanbridge 23 - Visitor
Marion Armitage 23 - Visitor
Charles F Worrall 29 - Visitor
William Gibson 54 - Butler
John Lamond 20 - Footman
Rosa Tiernan 40 - Cook
Agnes Dunn 34 - laundress
Jane Robinson 63 - Housemaid
Emma Hall 32 - Housemaid
Kezia Ince 24 - Housemaid
Emma Cluton 18 - Kitchen maid

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2823; Folio 135; Page 56; GSU roll: 6097933