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Hi DVP
I believe the 1871 census you have refers to the Handrahan family (Andron is a weird mis-spelling). I think the James in 1871 is aged 13, not 3.

1881 census : living at 13 Garrick Grove, Chiswick, lodging with John & Bridget Phelan
Mary Handrahan, 45, lodger, widow, born Ireland
James, 23, lodger, unmarried, labourer, born Chiswick
Jeremiah, 14, lodger, labourer, born Chiswick
Bridget & Mary, lodgers, 12, scholars, born Chiswick

1871 census : living at 35 William St, Chiswick
John Andron, 40, agricultural labourer, born Ireland
Mary Andron, 34, agricultural labourer, born Ireland
John, 15, agricultural labourer, born Chiswick
James, 13, scholar, born Chiswick
Michael, 10, scholar, born Chiswick
Jeremiah, 4, scholar, born Chiswick
Bridget & Mary, 2, born Chiswick

Hi Vera

Sorry for such a late reply but only just got in.

I will most certainly let you know as I have decided that I will send for the certificate next week sometime. I'm not sure how long it takes these days as I sent for a certificate last month & it took about 3 weeks to arrive.

I was very interested in the Handren family that you found on the 1861 Census. I will try to investigate that a little further I think.

I'm begining to think that the Andron's just did not want to be found ??.

Again, many many thanks for all your efforts.

Best wishes & Until next time
DVP

Hi DVP,


If you do send for the birth certificate for John Hallaham...I would be most interested to know the outcome. If you wouldn't mind letting me know.

Best Wishes

Regards Vera

Hi Vera

Very many thanks for all your effort's in trying to resolve my problem. As you said previously, it is now very late & time for bed.

I would also like to thank everyone for all there efforts, time & patience in trying to help.

I will log on again tomorrow just incase someone manages to come up trumps.

Best wishes to you all & once again, many, many thanks

DVP

Happy hunting, DVP. Keep in touch.

Ozi

Hi Ozibird

I am now thinking allong the same lines & taking into account of what Vera has found I think I may be looking at getting at least three certificates.

As it's now 1oclock in the morning I must thank you for all your efforts & time taken in trying to resolve my problem & bid you goodnight.
I will look in again tomorrw incase someone has some success.

Please take care & again many thanks.

Best Wishes
DVP

Have found this birth......see what you think about the name ????

Birth Mar. Qtr 1862

Hallaham John

St GiLES

1b 430



Unfortunately only getting the certificate will you know for certain ???

Regards Vera

I realize you're not sure of his family, but if you got a marriage cert of one of the family that you think is possibly his then it would give you an idea if you're on the right track.

Ozi

Right...still no luck on the 1871 for this family....am off to bed....will look in tomorrow...night night.

Regards Vera

Hi Ozibird

I'm afraid that because I have never found his birth record therefore no mother I do not know at this stage if & how many siblings he may of had.

The witnesses to his marriage were
James Davis & Mary Cronin

The address for bride & groom plus Mary Cronin were given as 10, Gilbert Street.

Mary Cronin's occupation given as a Flower Seller.

John's occupation was given as a Costermonger.

Kind regards
DVP

No ages recorded on death indices at that time.




Would it be worthwhile getting another child's marriage cert to see if it says the same thing?

I guess the witnesses on his marriage cert aren't any help?

Ozi

Marriages Mar 1888
BAYLISS Charles Brentford 3a 127
HANDRAHAN Jeremiah Brentford 3a 127 <<<<<<
REYDELLET Charlotte Josephine Brentford 3a 127
SHOULDERS Harriett Elizabeth Brentford 3a 127 <<<<<
I found Jeremiah married to an Elizabeth, and a Charlotte married to Charles Bayliss with mother-in-law Reydellet living with them.

OR

Marriages Sep 1890
Brown Polly Brentford 3a 199
HANDRAHAN Bridget Brentford 3a 199 <<<<<
LEWIS John Brentford 3a 199 <<<<<
Rose Samuel Mumford Brentford 3a 199

1891: Bridget Lewis John abt 1869 Chiswick, Middlesex, England Wife Chiswick, Middlesex

Oh Boy am I trying :-) so far no luck on the 1871 still looking though.

Regards Vera

Having found his parents. ???.......on the 1861 ..... I can see why you are having trouble.

Regards Vera

Hi Vera

That looks like a promising Hit. Could you repeat that on the 1871 Census but include John 1862/3

Pleeeeeeeees

Kind regards
DVP

Hi Ozibird

Did the Death ref give an age for John Handrahan Brentford 3a 47

Kind regards
DVP

1861.....

Occupation Bill Poster...

James Handren
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: St Giles, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: London
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles South
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 290
Household Members: Name Age
James Handren 35
Ann Handren 32
Mary Handren 12
Catherine Handren 11
Dennis Handren 5
Mary Handren 2


Regards Vera

Deaths Sep 1861
Handrahan John Brentford 3a 47

Hi Vera

No I can't find him on the 1871 Census either. I also can't find his father on the 1871 Census but he may of died before the Census was taken

T in Middx

sorry for delay.

Johns father was called James & his occupation was given as a Bill Poster. This info was given on Johns Marriage Certificate to Margaret A Faregrave June 1882 it also stated that James was deceased.

I'll ask again..

What was John's (c1862) father's name and occupation please?

T